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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

dmcreif Vault Dweller from Vault 33 (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Robosexual
Vault Dweller
#131401: Aug 8th 2021 at 12:55:14 PM

The stuff he did in Kingsman and Scott Pilgrim was amazing.

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J79 Since: Jan, 2015
#131402: Aug 8th 2021 at 1:35:37 PM

While Stan Lee has passed away, I'm surprised that the Marvel projects since havent tried to include him in some way, like his picture on posters (like in the Netflix shows) or something like that.

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#131403: Aug 8th 2021 at 1:39:40 PM

He was on a mural in the first episode of Loki.

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dmcreif Vault Dweller from Vault 33 (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Robosexual
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#131404: Aug 8th 2021 at 1:52:42 PM

WandaVision incorporated his birthdate into a license plate in the episode 7 title card.

Okey Dokey!
Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#131405: Aug 8th 2021 at 2:00:05 PM

Stan living on in A113 style Easter eggs sounds cool.

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dmcreif Vault Dweller from Vault 33 (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Robosexual
Vault Dweller
#131406: Aug 8th 2021 at 2:16:08 PM

The Loki version reminded me a bit of the Irving Forbrush posters (which was how the Netflix shows did it).

Okey Dokey!
Lymantria Tyrannoraptoran Reptiliomorph from Toronto Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: Historians will say we were good friends.
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#131407: Aug 8th 2021 at 7:05:26 PM

The In-Universe reason for the lack of Stan Lee cameos could be that the Watcher Informant retired.

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#131408: Aug 9th 2021 at 2:10:45 AM

or he's watching another universe somewhere

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#131409: Aug 9th 2021 at 7:47:58 AM

I like to think that the Watcher informant was an indirect victim of Thanos's snap in Infinity War, since that's his chronological last appearance in the films. Maybe he was hit by a car or something while getting out of his school bus.

Maybe Uatu or the other Watchers can reference it at some point in the future.

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Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#131410: Aug 9th 2021 at 8:02:42 AM

Honestly, I would rather not address it. It feels more respectful that way.

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#131411: Aug 9th 2021 at 9:14:03 AM

So, the Captain America twitter page just got a certain update. A lot of people don't seem to like it.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#131412: Aug 9th 2021 at 9:27:34 AM

Is it because of the the inherent weirdness of referring to a British character who doesn't even go by the title as such, or is it the usual sexist assholes?

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#131413: Aug 9th 2021 at 9:29:54 AM

It looks like fans who seem to think that this show is the new canon of the MCU, and are using Sam Wilson as a hill to say that Marvel is erasing the character they just put into the MCU. As well as (and largely fed and encouraged by) the usual sexists.

It's dumb.

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#131414: Aug 9th 2021 at 9:30:45 AM

The show is even called What If, I’d expect it to be obvious that it’s not the new canon.

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Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#131415: Aug 9th 2021 at 9:32:01 AM

Official twitters do temporary gimmicks all the time. There'd be more reason to get mad at rainbow logo Twitter icons for pride month.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#131416: Aug 9th 2021 at 9:36:10 AM

[up][up][up] Ah, those folks. Some and perhaps the majority of it is definitely sexists merely using Sam as an smokescreen for their usual misogyny.

But there's also been an unfortunate vocal community of ultra-hardcore Sam Wilson fangirls and stans who despise Peggy Carter (possibly related to Endgame discourse and bitterness at the ending? I've seen some indications that this is the case, but also others who've hated Peggy for years before then) and genuinely believe that letting her take up the role, even temporarily, is a backhanded belittlement of Sam, and that celebrating a white woman in the role that Sam and Sam alone was meant to have is racist. Said folks have also extended that to Steve's time in the role, saying things like "Steve who? Sam is the one true Cap in my eyes".

I saw a very recent uptick in the amount of Peggy-bashing posts among them, was wondering what the hell happened, and I guess now I know why.

Normally I'd just ignore them and leave them to their own devices, but said Vocal Minority (or at least, a band of Fandom VIP folks who happen to share an interest in Sam Wilson in common) have developed a tendency for Moral Guardians behavior and to bulldoze over fan events, supposedly in the name of fighting racism, but really a lot of those events are for ships or kinks (including just nonspecific darker-than-usual or BDSM themes) that aren't even related to Sam except in the most tangential way at best.

Edited by AlleyOop on Aug 9th 2021 at 2:53:19 PM

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#131417: Aug 9th 2021 at 9:36:18 AM

I think maybe some people are upset that they've been promoting Sam as Captain America for less than four months before immediately changing it to Captain Carter. Whereas Steve was promoted as Captain America on the page for literal years.

I'm not exactly upset about it since I know it's for temporary promotion for What If, but I do think it's strange to promote her on a Captain America account, since she's quite obviously representing Britain in her costume.

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Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#131418: Aug 9th 2021 at 9:43:45 AM

they've been promoting Sam as Captain America for less than four months before immediately changing it to Captain Carter

It would only be sketch if they didn't change it back to Sam afterwards. Cap 4 is still a ways off.

I do think it's strange to promote her on a Captain America account, since she's quite obviously representing Britain in her costume.

Surely they mean "what if she was the Captain America equivalent" than "obviously she is Cap now"...

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The Tapestry Weaver
#131419: Aug 9th 2021 at 9:48:10 AM

[up] I agree it's far too early to tell regarding Sam. Although I understand why some people might be upset about it.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#131420: Aug 9th 2021 at 10:02:48 AM

When they initially premiered the idea of Peggy Cap getting to become a Canon Immigrant in the comics several years agonote , and before that appearing in several spinoff games based on the MCU, I do know that in-between the miscellaneous complaints of Peggy becoming a Creator's Pet who had worn out her welcome and also the usual sexism, there was a bunch of fairly justified confusion about why she was being called Captain America when she wasn't even an American citizen. Some folks tried to excuse it by arguing that when they say Captain America is open to anyone, they mean anyone, even foreign nationals whose only tie to the US is temporarily residing in it.

It seems like they took note of that discourse, as I noticed here that they're calling her Captain Carter (since Captain Britain is a whole other thing) and doubling down on her British iconography.

Edited by AlleyOop on Aug 9th 2021 at 6:08:08 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#131421: Aug 9th 2021 at 2:02:29 PM

About my only thing with her is I find it a little weird that she’s not wearing a helmet.

I don’t know why it looks off since Steve wore a helmet at this point. I think cause her costume looks a bit too modern.

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The sleepiest good boi
#131423: Aug 9th 2021 at 3:05:44 PM

[up]Believe it or not, invincible hair was an actual power of Superman's in the Silver Age, sooo.... Captain Carter is Kryptonian? Not the Marvel/DC crossover I expected but there you go.

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Disasturbator
#131424: Aug 9th 2021 at 3:07:53 PM

I want them to do a superman movie where he can't fly but can jump real good

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Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#131425: Aug 9th 2021 at 3:10:31 PM

No one ever goes for the hair even when it's a great target. (Natasha and Thor come to mind.)

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