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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#131376: Aug 5th 2021 at 3:48:42 PM

[up] Maybe my memory's fuzzy, but I do seem to recall Val talking about Zemo and the Flag-Smasher's deaths, and I thought the implication was that they briefly worked together to take out the Flag-Smashers via Zemo's butler since they were a mutual foe.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#131377: Aug 5th 2021 at 3:53:06 PM

IIRC, she just told Walker about it, in a kind of "looks like Baron Zemo did our dirty work for us" moment.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#131378: Aug 5th 2021 at 3:53:20 PM

She goes on for like a minute hinting that she had something to do with their deaths, it was extremely heavy-handed, I don't know how you forgot about that.

[up]And then she says "But I didn't have anything to do with it. Or did I? No, I didn't. Or did I?! Probably not. But maybe I did!"

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Aug 5th 2021 at 3:54:33 AM

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#131379: Aug 5th 2021 at 3:55:59 PM

[up] I feel like I was too distracted by Sam as Captain America and Sharon Carter as the Power Broker to properly remember that scene in full. I also only watched each episode in the series once since I was studying for college finals at the time.

Edited by MatthewWayne on Aug 5th 2021 at 3:56:15 AM

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#131380: Aug 5th 2021 at 4:01:41 PM

The mention of Zemo's butler just make me picture Steven fry in his Jeeves role serving Zemo

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#131381: Aug 5th 2021 at 4:34:48 PM

I thought the implication of that scene was Zemo and his butler did it of their own accord, but Contessa facilitated their communication and acted as the bridge between them (particularly considering Zemo was in a maximum security prison in the middle of nowhere).

But hey, considering the shambolic disaster that last episode was, you could tell me the writers wanted the culprit to be John Cena and I would believe you.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#131382: Aug 5th 2021 at 4:39:12 PM

I can’t believe John Cena was behind it all all along

Even behind Thanos

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#131383: Aug 5th 2021 at 4:47:28 PM

Well of course, we could have never seen him coming.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#131384: Aug 5th 2021 at 4:48:17 PM

Drax would have seen him coming,nothing escapes him

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#131385: Aug 5th 2021 at 4:48:24 PM

Hey, you guys remember when Deadpool and Korg reacted to the Free Guy trailer?

Ever wanted to know how that happened?

Ryan spills the beans!

Bullet Points:

  • When Disney bought Fox, Ryan wasn't really sure what was going to happen, but Disney has been extremely supportive of Free Guy.
  • One idea Ryan had for a short was for Deadpool to interview the hunter who shot Bambi’s mother. It looks like Deadpool will kill the hunter...but it turns out DP is a major fan and wants to know how he can be as hated as the hunter is in the Disney universe. Unsurprisingly, Disney said "no way, Jose" to that and axed it.
  • Eventually, Ryan and his partner at Maximum Effort, George Dewey, came up with a short where Deadpool and Korg react to the Free Guy trailer. Disney gave it the green light, which surprised Ryan because animating Korg is not some cheap feat. But what really helped was that it was met at "an intersection of a lot of mutual interests". Plus, Taika was super gung-ho about the idea, so the process was very fast. Not long after, the video came out, cue Internet being broke.

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Aug 5th 2021 at 7:49:00 AM

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#131386: Aug 5th 2021 at 6:11:29 PM

[up] After reading the second option, I just hope Deadpool won't be forced to put a lid on too many Take Thats towards the Mouse. I don't think it should go overboard, but I also think it would suck if Disney nixed any risque jokes about their brand.

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#131387: Aug 5th 2021 at 8:04:03 PM

[up] If the Free Guy react video is a solid barometer on what Disney will let Reynolds get away with then we're probably fine. I took the second point less as the Mouse curbing criticism and more Disney capping how much he can dig into Black Comedy Gallows Humor especially with Disney material. The video has Deadpool explicitly call Korg a fuckface and implicitly rib him for being too corporate-nice; clearly Iger and Feige are fine but here's hoping Chapek isn't that precious.

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#131388: Aug 5th 2021 at 8:40:39 PM

And it's not like Fox didn't tell them no on some jokes either.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#131389: Aug 6th 2021 at 3:09:00 AM

It's a fun quote, but it would make very little sense in the MCU. From what we can tell, Heinrich Zemo wasn't involved with HYDRA in any way.

Plus, MCU Zemo probably wouldn't even go along with the idea of pretending to be a hero for even a second.

Who CARES about ruling the world?! Who wants to do that much WORK?!

There was an episode of the 1980s Ninja Turtles cartoon that even touched on this. the Turtles end up in an alternate timeline where Shredder has taken over the world and is a nervous wreck due to how stressful running an entire planet is.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#131390: Aug 6th 2021 at 8:54:17 AM

Falcon and Winter Soldier does show that Zemo is willing to play along to a degree if it serves his goals.

Still, I’d agree that I’m not sure if he would be the Big Bad of such a plot any more.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Aug 6th 2021 at 8:55:49 AM

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#131391: Aug 7th 2021 at 10:22:17 AM

Brad Allan, the main stunt coordinator for Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings passed away at 48.

R.I.P. sad

jouXIII The One Who Knows Many Things from Between the Multiverses (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
The One Who Knows Many Things
#131392: Aug 7th 2021 at 10:27:47 AM

Not only a huge loss, but also way too young.

RIP.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#131393: Aug 7th 2021 at 10:31:56 AM

Well Goddamn, Rest In Peace.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#131395: Aug 7th 2021 at 10:40:41 AM

Guy was a living legend, direct disciple of Jackie Chan who made his bones in HK cinema alongside Chan. Who Am I?, Gorgeous, Rush Hour films, Shanghai Noon films all had him, and solo he was one of the primary coordinators and action designers for both Kingsman films, Pacific Rim, Hellboy 2, the first Kick-Ass and Scott Pilgrim. Big loss to the action film industry.

Hope Shang-Chi proves a worthy final swan song for him (it does serve as a bittersweet Bookends of sort to his career, considering he made big going to Hong Kong and now his last work will be a US-made HK homage).

Edited by Gaon on Aug 7th 2021 at 10:41:58 AM

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AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
Look, just be decent to one another ok?
#131396: Aug 7th 2021 at 10:42:28 AM

Well boo, far too young.

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Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#131397: Aug 7th 2021 at 10:43:52 AM

For context of the rest of the thread, Allan was a protege of Jackie Chan and is widely regarded as the bridge for getting Hong Kong stunt choreography into Hollywood productions: besides Chan's American filmography he was also the stunt director for Hellboy II, Scott Pilgrim, Kick-Ass, and Kingsman among many others.

Marvel snagging Allan was largely overshadowed by them also snagging cinematographer Bill Pope (aka the guy who did The Matrix) which is in retrospect a massive shame. My hype for Shang-Chi's fight scenes are significantly higher and it's really unfortunate that he died so young, both for the MCU and for all the other directors he worked with. RIP.

(EDIT: [nja]'d by [up][up], not that I mind because he deserves the recognition. [tup])

Edited by Watchtower on Aug 7th 2021 at 1:46:09 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#131398: Aug 7th 2021 at 10:44:39 AM

Dang I like a lot of those movies.

They all had great action.

Edited by slimcoder on Aug 7th 2021 at 10:45:25 AM

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#131399: Aug 7th 2021 at 5:17:24 PM

Man, that's awful. He was involved in so many good films, too. Do we know how he passed?

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#131400: Aug 8th 2021 at 8:27:09 AM

An unspecified illness.

The legend has returned.

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