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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
It's a bow, but yes.
Hugging a Vanillite will give you frostbite.From God's Perfect Idiot himself, Deadpool 3 (probably) has a 70% chance of filming next year.
Sounds like they have a director all set up or very close to it, at least.
Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Aug 5th 2021 at 2:09:06 PM
I'm convinced she's Leiko Wu.
Like, she was sent to spy on Shang by Interpol or New SHIELD or whatever to see if he was a lead to his father, but then they became actual friends. Mandarin - always aware of his enemies - knows who she is, but Shang doesn't, leading to a Liar Revealed bit later on in the movie.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Aug 5th 2021 at 11:49:21 AM
I doubt that Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings will do well in China. For starters, the trailer wasn't well liked by Mainland Chinese viewers because they saw it as a Westernized portrayal of their culture (especially martial arts), a disliked slanted-eyed characters and the fact that the Mandarin (a Yellow Peril stereotype) is the father of Shang-Chi. Even if it does secure a release date in the mainland, it will perform poorly there similar to Mulan (2020).
For Eternals, the film's director Chloé Zhao criticized the government of China and since one of its characters is LGBT, I don't think that they might allow it to be released. In recent years, Hollywood has tried to reach out to China due to its growing economy so they make films that usually add in Chinese lead characters. However, as Mulan has shown us, you can't just cater to the Mainland Chinese audience by including stuff they would consider unacceptable or have a poorly-researched, inaccurate portrayal of their culture.
Edited by Chrononaut70 on Aug 5th 2021 at 12:00:15 PM
IIRC the primary reason China didn't respond well to the trailer was that they didn't like Shang's actor, not that they didn't like the movie's premise.
China does tends to respond well to American martial arts films or Western portrayals of their cultures (see also, Kung Fu Panda), as long as they're done well. The Chinese public nowadays tends not to respond well to movies that are blatant attempts to pander to them (IE, the kinds of movies Hollywood makes in order to get the Chinese government's favor and keep their movies from getting banned) but that's a different kettle of fish.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Aug 5th 2021 at 12:01:02 PM
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Not necessarily the premise but as noted on the film's YMMV page, Mainland Chinese viewers were not impressed by some of the things seen in the trailer and likely the final product. So it's a case of Americans Hate Tingle.
Always felt like the target market is the Asian diaspora, not the Chinese audience. I'd be surprised if Marvel hasn't taken note of the difference in reception Crazy Rich Asians and The Farewell got between AsAms and mainland Chinese audiences.
That said, Tony Leung maintains a diehard Asian fanbase so that will probably draw some folks in.
Yeah, that was the big thing.
As I understand it, the problem was that Simu Lu basically embodies more American standards of attractiveness, whereas Tony Leung embodies more an actual Chinese standard of attractiveness. There was a lot of buzz about the Chinese audience even preferring to have Tony in the protag slot vs Simu.
Citation needed. There's been articles as such about the reaction I'm talking about, but I've only ever seen the things you're claiming from American sources (usually editorials), not Chinese ones.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Aug 5th 2021 at 12:06:27 PM
Said simply, they prefer a Pretty Boy instead of a Hunk like Liu for looks. As for anything else, it'll take a lot to convince them.
Wake me up at your own risk.Yeah, the beauty thing is one issue for the film in China (and of course, the whole Asian slanted-eyed characters stuff). And you pointed out, China does respond well to Western portrayals of Chinese culture and martial arts, as long as the creators actually do their work. In the case of films that portray the CCP in a positive light, they tend to do well there. For Shang-Chi, it won't be warmly received in China for the reasons already mentioned.
Again, the Chinese market tends not to actually care about that sort of thing as much as Americans do.
Remember that Fu Manchu isn't even a character the Chinese audience will have much cognizance of, being a British-made character from over half a century ago that's unlikely to even be allowed reading over there. The idea that the Chinese audience as a whole is railing against the use of a character who, decades ago, was originally a character from decades prior to that, both of whom are not in the mainstream even over here - let alone over there - is difficult to swallow.
So, yeah. Citation needed. More than just "somebody added it to the YMMV page."
Edited by KnownUnknown on Aug 5th 2021 at 12:09:12 PM
For the sources I cited, Variety quoted a CCP youth magazine and Weibo users' thoughts on the trailer. The same reaction has also been found in Taiwan and Hong Kong through the dislikes of the trailer in Marvel's official YouTube channels in both countries.
Edited by Chrononaut70 on Aug 5th 2021 at 12:13:01 PM

There was a story in Detective Comics 500 where the Phantom Stranger sends Batman and Robin to an alternate universe where the Waynes are about to get shot; Batman saves them, but the alternate version of Bruce is heavily implied to grow up to be Batman because of the prime version's example.