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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#131201: Aug 2nd 2021 at 10:52:00 PM

Does the Agent Carter version have the golden mask?

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#131202: Aug 2nd 2021 at 10:54:27 PM

The mask is seen briefly in her changing room as an Easter Egg. She does start wearing a veil as the Darkforce begins to consume her body, but is later convinced by her boyfriend to stop caring about her appearance and ditch it.

I recall a major influence cited for the AC version of the character was Hedy Lamarr, another Golden Age Hollywood actress who was also a scientific genius and invented a new form of radio.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Aug 2nd 2021 at 10:57:21 AM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#131203: Aug 2nd 2021 at 10:59:57 PM

That said, Agent Carter's Whitney Frost (whose real name, in the show, was Agnes Cully) was a pretty darn interesting character - being essentially Evil! Hedy Lamarr, which with all the Evil! Teslas and Evil! Edisons out there made a fun play on the whole "supervillain based on a classical example of a real-world scientist" concept. I'd dig her getting the Canon Immigrant treatment somehow.

But yeah, if someday they did a more comics accurate Maggia (I'm still vaguely surprised they didn't do it in one of the Ant-Man movies), I'd still be down for a new Madame Masque, and the two would have so little overlap that it'd hardly be a problem.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#131204: Aug 2nd 2021 at 11:08:19 PM

I think the term Faustus Method was only used in Agents of SHIELD.

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Vehek Since: May, 2012
#131205: Aug 2nd 2021 at 11:11:32 PM

On the Faustus Method: What I've found so far says it was purely an Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. thing, not a movie thing. Which puts its canon status in jeopardy too. And even there, an official link between the two (the method, and the man whose alias it was named after) was never established.

Diana1969 Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#131206: Aug 2nd 2021 at 11:14:34 PM

I swear I vaguely remember something about it in Winter Soldier. Maybe it was just an easter egg on document somewhere?

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#131207: Aug 2nd 2021 at 11:16:00 PM

Been rewatching the Marvel films with a friend, and we just finished the first Captain America, and my friend had a question, that i wasn't able to answer cause I totally forgot why.

How did the Tesserect end up on Earth?

Also, my own question. Coulson tells Rogers that Banner had tried to use his syrum to enhance it.

I haven't seen The Incredible Hulk in years, and the film I don't think is readily available on any streaming platform that I have, so I have to ask, did Banner actually do that? I don't even remember that, or was that just a retcon?

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Diana1969 Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#131208: Aug 2nd 2021 at 11:18:37 PM

Also, my own question. Coulson tells Rogers that Banner had tried to use his syrum to enhance it.

I haven't seen The Incredible Hulk in years, and the film I don't think is readily available on any streaming platform that I have, so I have to ask, did Banner actually do that? I don't even remember that, or was that just a retcon?

They mention something about it being tied to the original Super Soldier Serum in the 2008 Hulk. I think they gave Blonsky some batch of it at one point?

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#131209: Aug 2nd 2021 at 11:21:14 PM

For the Tesseract, the assumption is that Odin hid it on Earth sometime during the war there with Frost Giants.

In The Incredible Hulk Ross mentions that Banner’s Hulk experiment was based on previous World War II projects, which Blonsky deduces to have been super soldiers. They do not mention Captain America by name, but he was on the film’s mind considering Cap’s frozen body in the Arctic is seen in a deleted scene (though not in the same place it was found in The First Avenger.)

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Aug 2nd 2021 at 11:23:10 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#131210: Aug 3rd 2021 at 12:47:18 AM

That tidbit could be based on how in the Ultimate Universe how Banner turned into the Hulk was essentially through a flawed serum he made in an attempt at recreating the Supersoldier Serum.

Edited by slimcoder on Aug 3rd 2021 at 12:47:40 PM

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Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#131211: Aug 3rd 2021 at 5:31:16 AM

[up] Yeah, it doesn't get mentioned as much anymore but the MCU loves pulling ideas from the Ultimate universe - Phase 1 is basically The Ultimates but with everyone more in-line with their 616 versions. People bring up MCU Peter Parker cribbing from Miles which is to an extent true but also Ultimate Peter Parker spent his entire run up to his death as a high-school student.

It's been rumored Marvel's looking to cast young for the Fantastic Four which would again line up with their Ultimate incarnations being a team of teenagers.

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#131212: Aug 3rd 2021 at 5:41:55 AM

> It's been rumored Marvel's looking to cast young for the Fantastic Four which would again line up with their Ultimate incarnations being a team of teenagers.

With attitudes! I can see it already,they can even include a high school setting since edgy teenagers in highschool is a thing

Except Ben,he dropped out because he kept getting stoned

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Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#131213: Aug 3rd 2021 at 5:48:23 AM

I was hoping they would cast old and have them more as Experienced Protagonist already…

DoubleOG (Apprentice)
#131214: Aug 3rd 2021 at 6:06:22 AM

Be aware that is just a and we are a long way off till we see them.

Edited by DoubleOG on Aug 3rd 2021 at 6:06:40 AM

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
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#131215: Aug 3rd 2021 at 10:14:57 AM

Going back to Whitney Frost, I feel like she was an interesting take on the character (though I never actually watched the final episode of the season)…if she had at least worn the mask? Maybe I’m being petty, but I feel like the mask is what mainly separates it from being In Name Only to me.

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Brandon Deadly Vu! from Between Thanksgiving and Christmas (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
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#131216: Aug 3rd 2021 at 10:17:37 AM

When Fantastic Four joins the MCU, it'll be unfortunate that Steve Rogers isn't around, just because it'd be a funny in-joke for him to meet Johnny Storm and say "That's a pretty cool power. Wish I had that."

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#131217: Aug 3rd 2021 at 11:56:52 AM

Perhaps the Fantastic Four can at least partially fill in the void left by the Avengers as a super-team/family that protects the Earth. They won't replace them, but there'll at least be some organization dedicated to keeping things in order.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#131218: Aug 3rd 2021 at 11:59:46 AM

IMO, that’s the wrong way to go about building the Fantastic Four. Ideally, the FF should be less “team of heroic protectors who guard the earth from all threats” and more “team of heroic explorers with superpowers.”

We definitely shouldn’t be looking at the Four from the perspective of “we need someone to step into the Avengers’ role.”

Edited by KnownUnknown on Aug 3rd 2021 at 12:00:22 PM

Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#131219: Aug 3rd 2021 at 12:00:43 PM

Before the Snappening I did think it would be a Passing the Torch sitch to the YA. But there's no reason the Avengers can't come back with a different roster.

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#131220: Aug 3rd 2021 at 12:08:42 PM

The Avengers are still around. It’s just they aren’t needed as badly.

The legend has returned.
Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#131221: Aug 3rd 2021 at 12:53:23 PM

I feel like in the "post-Avengers" MCU world, the niche of the Fantastic Four would be that in recent years in the MCU there have been a fairly ridiculous number of outwortly threats and they need a team that concerns itself with space exploration and diplomacy exclusively to antecipate (and preferably defuse) these threats with their research.

Basically The Avengers as set-up so far are reactive: a threat comes up, they're our last line of defense. The Fantastic Four woudld be preventive, researching weird things beyond our imagination to keep us updated.

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Brandon Deadly Vu! from Between Thanksgiving and Christmas (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
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#131222: Aug 3rd 2021 at 1:04:35 PM

Never read the comics, but in the live action films, weren't the Fantastic Four (barring Johnny) really reluctant about becoming superheroes?

In a reboot I could see them still being resistant to becoming superheroes, and there's public pressure for them to be the new Avengers.

And then Nick Fury shows up to give them a pep talk.

Edited by Brandon on Aug 3rd 2021 at 1:04:54 AM

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ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#131223: Aug 3rd 2021 at 1:47:22 PM

Adding Nick Fury to push them along just further makes them look more like Avengers 2.0, which is very much not what the FF should be.

In the comics, it was actually the Thing who was the first to suggest helping others with their new powers.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#131224: Aug 3rd 2021 at 1:57:28 PM

My desire has always been for an older MCU first family so we can have both the kids. So I tend to imagine them having been established explorers of the naughties, who have been trapped in the negative zone for a little over the past decade and raised two kids there.

You could have their inciting incident in their backstory be a lot of funding suddenly turning up after Avengers Assemble for cosmic exploration.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#131225: Aug 3rd 2021 at 2:04:32 PM

Once again this is the perfect opportunity to bring in the Thunderbolts.

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