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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#131126: Aug 2nd 2021 at 1:09:08 PM

So Inhumans fans, in the unlikely event Feige decides to use the Inhumans, do you think there's a way to salvage Ike Perlmutter's rushed/failed TV series that was produced for Marvel Television? Or will it have to be entirely rebooted? I ask because I have zero knowledge of anything related to those characters.

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Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#131127: Aug 2nd 2021 at 1:21:08 PM

If they remove embiggening, when that's her signature thing, I'll be annoyed. Also, Kamala's bracelet had an intense history in the comics that probably won't make it into the mcu if it gives her superpowers now.

Edited by Joshbones on Aug 2nd 2021 at 1:48:12 AM

Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#131128: Aug 2nd 2021 at 1:25:52 PM

I can imagine Black Bolt's actor coming back, and definitely Lockjaw, but it will likely get rebooted. The show got pretty hated.

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DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
The Ultimate Lifeform
#131129: Aug 2nd 2021 at 1:39:45 PM

I can live with the purple energy shields and constructs being an additional power for Kamala. Just as long as she still gets her Sizeshifting powers. And gets to yell, "Embiggen!" I mean I guess the energy constructs would be more useful especially in the Marvels, which will definitely be in space, than shape-shifting alone.

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#131130: Aug 2nd 2021 at 2:00:02 PM

So Dave Bautista has confirmed on Twitter he won't be voicing Drax in What If. Apparently he wasn't even asked if he wanted to do it.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#131131: Aug 2nd 2021 at 2:00:19 PM

Well fuck that’s weird.

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#131132: Aug 2nd 2021 at 2:06:46 PM

Yeah. Even James Gunn is confused.

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Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#131133: Aug 2nd 2021 at 2:24:35 PM

That's the downside of being invisible.

Re the Kamala news, that makes me apprehensive.

Also making me apprhensive is a quote from Jeremy Renner about how Kate is a (annoying) fangirl of Hawkeye, since the whole point of their relationship in the comics is how little respect Kate has for him.

I guess at best maybe it will be like a Peter B. Parker situation. But it will suck if Kate is the Kamala to Clint's Carol, because that's the completely wrong dynamic.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#131134: Aug 2nd 2021 at 2:40:31 PM

Actually she does have great amounts of respect for him. She very much looks up to the guy as a mentor.

The thing with the dynamic is Clint's own flaws make that hard. He tends to make terrible decisions and fuck-ups which leaves Kate flabbergasted on occasion.

Though not that Kate is incapable of making mistakes on her own.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#131135: Aug 2nd 2021 at 2:44:03 PM

That's a fair point. Conceded.

I just think there is a problem if Kate is presented as squeeing over Clint.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#131136: Aug 2nd 2021 at 2:47:46 PM

I don't think Bautista not being asked back is too weird. What If...? must have an insanely high budget for an animated series, but I imagine there still have to be financial concessions somewhere on the production pipeline. I have no idea how big Drax's role is but it may not have made sense to pay Bautista.

They've gotten a truly insane number of past actors to return for this, but among the most glaring absences is RDJ, for instance, which I'm guessing just came down to his huge pay rate making it unfeasible to hire him for this.

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#131137: Aug 2nd 2021 at 2:47:50 PM

I find it weird that she's a big fan of Clint of all the Avengers. Hopefully the show explains why.

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#131138: Aug 2nd 2021 at 3:05:11 PM

[up][up] Yeah, I'm not too surprised that some of the bigger actors didn't return for this series. Hell, I'm surprised we got bigger names on here. Like I said earlier, I was certain that Kurt Russell was going to be recast as Ego, but it also applies for Jeff Goldblum, Benicio del Toro and Andy Serkis among others. I guess money is a limiting factor, but I would've gone for keeping smaller guys like Bautista (for a certain definition of smaller) and replacing the bigger roles. But eh, I'm still happy we got most of the cast consisting of Role Reprisals.

Also, I really, really really hope we get some Ham-to-Ham Combat between the Grandmaster and the Collector. It's a shame we never got to see them meet in the prime timeline, especially since the two are canonically brothers in the MCU.

Edited by MatthewWayne on Aug 2nd 2021 at 3:05:23 AM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#131139: Aug 2nd 2021 at 3:07:38 PM

[up][up] Maybe she’s a fan of the underdog and archery?

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#131140: Aug 2nd 2021 at 3:09:37 PM

It helps that Hawkguy’s thing is something she can attempt to imitate

And that she actually had a lot of various skills including swordery. Hawkeye, pre retcon, is the guy that happened to come back to life around when she was in the market to rob a mentor

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FGHIK Since: Aug, 2013
#131141: Aug 2nd 2021 at 3:41:51 PM

So since Crimson Dynamo (not a big spoiler, but just in case I'm tagging it) got namedropped in Black Widow, do you think they might make an appearance at some point down the line? Or was it just a reference for those who know the character? The way it was mentioned seemed like they could go either way.

lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
The sleepiest good boi
#131142: Aug 2nd 2021 at 3:45:34 PM

[up]He was pretty much amalgamated into Whiplash in Iron Man 2, so an actual appearance is somewhat unlikely.

Edited by lbssb on Aug 2nd 2021 at 3:45:40 AM

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#131143: Aug 2nd 2021 at 3:53:20 PM

[up][up][up]Yeah, she had already had training in archery and martial arts too prior to becoming a Young Avenger.

I try not to think about the rest of her backstory.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#131144: Aug 2nd 2021 at 3:55:34 PM

She's a rich girl so that prolly fills in the rest.

[up][up] Well we are getting Armor Wars so maybe Russia's making their own Iron Man.

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chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#131145: Aug 2nd 2021 at 4:04:02 PM

There's been 13 Crimson Dynamos in the comics, so I wouldn't put it past them to bring at least one of them into the MCU past Vanko. And no, that's not an exaggeration. There's been really been that many people who've taken up the mantle.

Edited by chasemaddigan on Aug 2nd 2021 at 7:04:23 AM

jouXIII The One Who Knows Many Things from Between the Multiverses (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#131147: Aug 2nd 2021 at 4:11:41 PM

Isn't Titanium Man also a Russian Iron Man knock-off?

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Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#131148: Aug 2nd 2021 at 4:28:15 PM

Russia wanting their own Iron Man knock-off at one point would likely be part of Armor Wars.

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#131149: Aug 2nd 2021 at 4:37:18 PM

The premise of "Soviet counterpart to (x) hero" is such an old hat of Marvel's (and Iron Man in particular had a lot of variants of those) that it really led to a problem when the Cold War ended. The last great one of those was Omega Red, who was created just after the Soviet Union collapsed with a backstory of being the Last of His Kind of the Soviet super-soldiers counterpart to the US' Weapon X project.

Iron Man's rogues gallery is pretty much entirely interchangeable evil capitalists, Iron Man geopolitical counterparts (usually from the Soviet Union), and the Mandarin.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#131150: Aug 2nd 2021 at 4:45:17 PM

Naturally, Why We're Bummed Communism Fell is a big part of these former Soviet supers' characterization. Titanium Man in particular is bitter about it. The final insult for him was seeing a Stark Industries branch in Moscow.

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