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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#131076: Aug 1st 2021 at 1:05:35 PM

Not to mention the context is kinda lost since we didn't see the whole thing drag on and grow out of control as it did.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#131077: Aug 1st 2021 at 1:06:53 PM

Marvel has a lot of sore teeth that it can't stop poking at.

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#131078: Aug 1st 2021 at 1:07:28 PM

> Its like the sore tooth that Marvel and the fans can't stop poking at.

Main reason yes,plus it even got a reference in a cartoon in the cartoon,compare that with One More Day and there's no way anyone would touch that thing

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#131079: Aug 1st 2021 at 1:09:50 PM

Ultimate Spider-Man did it adapt it, even compositing Ben and Kaine together with the latter’s Scarlet Spider outfit.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#131080: Aug 1st 2021 at 1:12:19 PM

Yeah, the clone Saga's biggest problems aren't a problem when you're not reading the book in real time.

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#131081: Aug 1st 2021 at 1:14:12 PM

[up][up][up][up][up]Yeah again as a lot of people point out. With the exception of horrifying stories like Maximum clonage. Most of clone saga stories are mediocre or average.

It's only the extreme delays and constant waits that people had to go through that made the story infamous and that's not possible to experience now as we have the whole thing.

Edited by miraculous on Aug 1st 2021 at 1:14:23 AM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#131082: Aug 1st 2021 at 1:15:29 PM

It helps that like every adaptation, it will be simplified so the incredible convolution will be lost.

From what I hear Ultimate Spider-Man's version was far simpler and better as a result.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#131083: Aug 1st 2021 at 1:27:15 PM

I found the Ultimate Spider-Man the comics version of the Clone Saga not very good either. I understand I'm in the minority here but while the 616 Clone Saga 2 went on far too long, trying to ultimate-ify it by squeezing it into the Standard Arc Length and having it happen in like one evening, having Doc Ock become generic brand Magneto (and then die in his next appearance so it doesn't result in much), have MJ get powers and then lose them despite the OZ formula being supposedly untreatable, and having Peter respond to the government cloning him by pledging his loyalty to Fury if he allows him to beat the shit out to Doc Ock is all really unenjoyable. It had almost as much crap as the 616 Clone Saga, just squeezed into eight issues with Bendis decompression is just bad. It introduces several Spider clones and then does basically nothing with them except Spider-Woman who is both Jessica Drew and Julia Carpenter meaning those characters weren't used in Ultimate at all. It just comes off as a mess to me. Its too dense, none of it gets to breathe sufficiently.

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Don't want to leave but cannot pretend
#131084: Aug 1st 2021 at 1:28:49 PM

[up]You must be really angry. You're doing a wall of text rather then your usual formatting.

Edited by fredhot16 on Aug 1st 2021 at 1:31:37 AM

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Funny but not helpful
#131085: Aug 1st 2021 at 1:30:52 PM

I have many mixed feelings about Ultimate Spider-Man.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#131086: Aug 1st 2021 at 1:31:49 PM

[up][up][up] Huh so the opposite problem.

Thats kinda funny when you think about it.

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#131087: Aug 1st 2021 at 1:31:57 PM

I think the reason people still take shots at the Clone Saga is that it had potential, it could have not sucked. That's not the case with One More Day, One More Day was dead on concept. People keep bringing up the Clone Saga because adapting it isn't a bad idea, if done right.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#131088: Aug 1st 2021 at 1:32:33 PM

I want a good adaptation of clone saga so people stop complaing about clone saga, kinda like civil war.

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Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#131089: Aug 1st 2021 at 1:33:27 PM

So it’s like Civil War in that way then. And I have been hit with a [nja].

Edited by Weirdguy149 on Aug 1st 2021 at 4:33:51 AM

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#131090: Aug 1st 2021 at 1:33:34 PM

> People keep bringing up the Clone Saga because adapting it isn't a bad idea, if done right.

Also because the idea of clone spidermen running around all over the place is a funny mental image

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#131091: Aug 1st 2021 at 1:36:12 PM

[up][up][up] I mean people still complain about Civil War because regardless of the movie, the original is still not that good.

[up] Peter does complain a lot about clones.

Edited by slimcoder on Aug 1st 2021 at 1:37:08 AM

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#131092: Aug 1st 2021 at 2:15:44 PM

Well, I can imagine peter least favorite star wars movie them....

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Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#131094: Aug 1st 2021 at 2:27:02 PM

tell me peter, have you heard the story of tony stark the wise?, is not a story the avenger will tell you....evil grin

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Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#131095: Aug 1st 2021 at 2:36:55 PM

Peter must have yelled some interesting things watching Order 66...

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DoubleOG (Apprentice)
#131096: Aug 1st 2021 at 2:37:44 PM

Speaking of Spider-Man..

Potential spoilers regarding No Way Home: https://twitter.com/Arjun49805346/status/1421858226119708679?s=19

A new set photo showing Spider-Man meeting Dr. Strange. Also can someone explain to me what FEAST is? Some on twitter were going crazy about it

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#131097: Aug 1st 2021 at 2:39:11 PM

[up]

Feast is a concept from the Playstation 4 Spiderman game.

It's a charity that Aunt May is a part of, and it recently crossed over into the main comic universe. They might be planning to bring it into the MCU as well.

Edited by HandsomeRob on Aug 1st 2021 at 2:39:30 AM

One Strip! One Strip!
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#131098: Aug 1st 2021 at 2:40:18 PM

Its related to Martin Li/Mr. Negative.

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#131099: Aug 1st 2021 at 2:43:33 PM

F.E.A.S.T precedes the game. It was introduced as Aunt May's charity linked with Mr. Negative's organization way back in 2008. I imagine it'll just be a Mythology Gag though considering the number of villains we already have in this film.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#131100: Aug 1st 2021 at 2:45:42 PM

My big fear is that the sheer number will make the film have issues with pacing and too much going on like what happened in the other final spider man film series. So fingers crossed that they pace them like winter soldier was able to .

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