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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Tony already admitted he's the guy who'd cut the wire. So yeah, if he thinks there's another way, he'd search for it.
It's why he's so devastated by Phil Coulson's death. It's why Yinsen's death hits him so hard.
And yeah, despite that, he did still throw himself into the wormhole without hesitation. And that's when he had a lot less to lose.
And then he makes the choice again, for the sake of his daughter. I do think that it's true he'd have tried to find another way if he knew, for the same reason he made it when the time came: for Morgan.
That being said:
Was killing all of Thanos's armies in one fell swoop really a truly heroic thing? Similar actions tend to be treated as a Moral Event Horizon when done by a villain.
Well the upside is that Thanos would have destroyed the universe had he won so Tony saved untold billions upon billions
Forever liveblogging the AvengersI assumed that a majority of Thanos' army was the CGI dog-beast-things seen in Infinity War, so maybe from that?
So, let's hang an anchor from the sun... also my TumblrSee. As long as it's Tony Stark, you can always find the evil part.
I told you he was a bad guy.
Mysterio was right!
One Strip! One Strip!Or maybe it's the fault of the writers, who want to have the heroes show off how amazing they are by destroying entire armies, but then other branches of the canon have villains solidify their status as evil by destroying entire armies. There's only so many times they can pull the "the armies the heroes destroyed aren't made up of people, while the ones the villains killed are" before it starts to seem contrived.
So, more Gamoras and Nebulas who never got a chance to break away from him?
Edited by Ayasugi on Jul 31st 2021 at 11:01:43 AM
I think it’d be more contrived for Thanos to find enough nihilists to man an entire army
It’s not like he’s even plundering. His whole dumb thing is that halving the population will let planets with resource problems thrive so taking some of the little they have wouldn’t be great for that
Forever liveblogging the AvengersBut Thanos isn't really conquering. He's just going around murdering.
And conquering has never really been his thing in comics either.
But yeah, its a contrivance. Comic books are built on them. Movies, if anything, more so. If it takes you out of the movie well thats valid.
Forever liveblogging the AvengersI'm just remembering an old argument I heard (I don't know if it was on this thread or not) where someone argued that Tony committed a war crime at the end of the first Avengers movie because he nuked the Chitauri spaceship. And the crux of their argument boiled down to "well, we don't know that they were Chitauri civilians or children aboard that ship, so we just have to assume that there were".
I think this was back before Age of Ultron came out, so this kind of thing goes way back.
I don't know! That's why it's stuck out to me all these years later. I think they thought it was like, the Chitauri homeworld or something?
Edited by chasemaddigan on Jul 31st 2021 at 11:51:12 AM
Even if there were, dragging your own civilians into a combat situation like that would put the war crime on the Chitauri's hands, not Tony's for destroying an enemy combatant.
Or, to quote Raiden, "Of course they get hurt, when you set them up as your human shield!"
You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!So here's a thought (which I feel like I've asked before, but that was probably back in 2018):
Could Carol have used the gauntlet without dying?
Like, she's gave the power of an Infinity Stone in her. And she actively absorbs energy. She can probably tank it far better than Hulk can.
Of course, in all the craziness of the final battle, I suspect it never occurred to her to try, especially since she was busy either trying to get rid of the gauntlet, trying to stop Thanos from using the Gauntlet, or eating a power stone punch to the face.
One Strip! One Strip!Yeah. But it does make me wonder if there were worlds where she did pull it off.
Which, considering we know only the world where Tony makes the sacrifice is the winning world, makes you wonder what went wrong....or what those TVA assholes did to make it fail.
One Strip! One Strip!She honestly was probably the best candidate to wield the Gauntlet if she had the opportunity to do so. The movie implies that Thor would've been able able to use it if he was in a better state of mind, and Carol has the durability to match the most powerful Asgardians. Unless there's some lingering trauma from her years being brainwashed by the Kree (which I don't see any sign of), she definitely has the mental fortitude to use it effectively.
Edited by chasemaddigan on Jul 31st 2021 at 12:00:31 PM

Though Strange had to make sure Tony didn’t know the plan required his death until near the end, because otherwise Tony would have likely fucked it up and try to find another way.
But to still make the choice in the end with what time he does have shows he can be that heroic, just like in the first Avengers when the nukes were sent and they had one chance to save millions.
Edited by OmegaRadiance on Jul 31st 2021 at 7:31:10 AM
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