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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#130976: Jul 31st 2021 at 5:24:37 PM

Far From Home was also had the benefit of a) being live action b) being the immediate follow up to Endgame.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#130977: Jul 31st 2021 at 5:27:44 PM

[up][up] I don't think the "average movie-goer doesn't know about this" really qualifies in Spider-Man's case.

Before the MCU he's had 5 movies, multiple TV shows, and video-games that have all made extensive usage of his relationship with Uncle Ben being one of his primary motivations. His origin is probably as well known as Batman's.

Edited by slimcoder on Jul 31st 2021 at 5:28:29 AM

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dmcreif Vault Dweller from Vault 33 (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Robosexual
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#130978: Jul 31st 2021 at 5:28:23 PM

Cinema Wins did make a joke in their Far from Home that EDITH really should've been called EDIMS: Even Dead, I Motivate Supervillains.

Admittedly, I could say Tony is a bit more blameless in causing Toomes to become the Vulture. The real reason Toomes became the Vulture is because Damage Control didn't compensate him for early termination of his salvage contract with the City of New York. Beck seems to be directing his anger at Tony but it was Pepper who pink-slipped him (and Civil War kinda suggests that BARF was one thing SI didn't want to weaponize).

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#130979: Jul 31st 2021 at 5:28:27 PM

Indeed. I'd find it hard to believe people don't know Uncle Ben.

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Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#130980: Jul 31st 2021 at 5:28:55 PM

Yeah I don't think that is the only reason. Like or not, MCU Peter is what most people think of when they think of Spider-Man now a days. While Spider-Verse is only what some people think of. It's a very weird form of Adaptational Displacement. Most fan art MCU Spider-Man. Most fan works, MCU Spider-Man. Most discussions on line, like Tumblr, MCU Spider-Man. Credited this is mainly because the MCU is more popular overall.

Edited by Bullman on Jul 31st 2021 at 7:32:07 AM

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#130981: Jul 31st 2021 at 5:31:21 PM

@Bullman: And that is honestly true of many of the other characters who've gotten adapted into the MCU. It's not a Spider-Man exclusive thing. The same can be said of characters like Scarlet Witch or the Guardians of the Galaxy.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#130982: Jul 31st 2021 at 5:31:59 PM

I mean, no?

Again already a long-standing cinematic character in his own right.

Arguably Holland-Petter has probably the highest estrogen brigade of the Spider-Men but I don't think that translates to people only knowing about MCU Spidey.

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Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#130983: Jul 31st 2021 at 5:33:58 PM

[up][up] Yeah that is why I said "because the MCU is more popular overall."

[up] I never said "only knowing MCU Spidey". I said it's the first one you're average moviegoer thinks of now a days. I think you are misinterpreting my words a bit. Maybe I am not phrasing them right.

Edited by Bullman on Jul 31st 2021 at 7:38:59 AM

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Diana1969 Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#130984: Jul 31st 2021 at 5:35:42 PM

Admittedly, I could say Tony is a bit more blameless in causing Toomes to become the Vulture. The real reason Toomes became the Vulture is because Damage Control didn't compensate him for early termination of his salvage contract with the City of New York.

You'd think Toomes could've taken it to court or something.

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#130985: Jul 31st 2021 at 5:38:35 PM

the real question is: what did tony startk this time to piss off the villian of no way home?tongue

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#130986: Jul 31st 2021 at 5:40:12 PM

Do you think he even considered that?

Or is it more likely he didn't have the money for it, considering he stated he'd put a lot of it into the venture.

I also think Damage Control could have considered incorporating Toomes group into their work. We see from the beginning of the movie that they've already figured out a lot about cleaning that stuff up. Why not take advantage of it and get the work done even quicker.

But I don't really get salvaging rules so I imagine it wasn't that easy.

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Diana1969 Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#130987: Jul 31st 2021 at 5:42:10 PM

Do you think he even considered that?

Or is it more likely he didn't have the money for it, considering he stated he'd put a lot of it into the venture.

Just hire Matt Murdoch, he looks like a cheap and reputable lawyer tongue

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#130988: Jul 31st 2021 at 5:43:53 PM

Do you want Daredevil to beat up Tony Stark, or Tony Stark to beat up Daredevil?tongue

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#130989: Jul 31st 2021 at 5:44:06 PM

There's probably eminent domain laws that would be in play here. Thor actually depicted this accurately, as SHIELD were shown writing a check to Jane in the course of seizing her work.

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Diana1969 Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#130990: Jul 31st 2021 at 5:50:36 PM

Do you want Daredevil to beat up Tony Stark, or Tony Stark to beat up Daredevil?

I can't let my man Matt get beaten up by a bourgeois pig, so I'm giving it to Daredevil.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#130991: Jul 31st 2021 at 6:01:16 PM

Though it really shouldn't come to a fight.

Asshole though Tony can be, and screw though he is, I'm sure if he were made aware of the issue, he'd seek to find some kind of compromise to compensate them.

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#130992: Jul 31st 2021 at 6:09:54 PM

I think when he went for the knee jerk spite move of swiping a truck of alien material from the site he put himself in a position where it was hard to pursue legal options

[up] There was a story like this in a She Hulk run where Stark Whatever was accused of stealing a supervillain’s IP. When Jen finally managed to have a conversation with Tony he just agreed to write a massive check

Edited by Bocaj on Jul 31st 2021 at 9:11:34 AM

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Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#130993: Jul 31st 2021 at 6:30:39 PM

Beck's biggest issue is being too egotistical to recognize what it means to be work-for-hire. [lol]

Regarding Tony, I actually agree that the MCU movies have given a lot to Tony what other movies would've given to Uncle Ben. As noted the MCU movies don't actually rehash the exact Uncle Ben beats, they instead take advantage of Spider-Man already being established to skip him ahead to instead do different mentor/student dynamic stuff. And FFH definitely has a bit of a regression on Peter's part, though the changed context of Tony being dead at least makes it justifiable. It ultimately boils down to whether or not you're willing to accept this kind of overlap, and I'm honestly fine with it. It's a characterization and relationship that really leverages the state of the MCU in pop culture and Iron Man's place in it, and I honestly think it overall works even if it does make Peter Parker something of a protege.

I personally would really like the MCU to stop beating around the bush and actually acknowledge Uncle Ben, but again I don't want it at the expense of Tony. I've seen people legit suggest "fixing" Peter by having him recognize that Tony was ultimately a terrible influence (on account of him being a shitty bomb-happy capitalist) and learning that ultimately Ben was the only father figure worthy of him, and it's like....No. Just... No.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#130994: Jul 31st 2021 at 6:31:11 PM

[up][up]

Did he do it?

Edited by HandsomeRob on Aug 1st 2021 at 9:56:39 AM

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fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
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#130995: Jul 31st 2021 at 6:32:27 PM

[up]YES!

No, wait, I meant NO!

I don't know what you're referring to, I'm in a whirlpool of madness and confusion!

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#130996: Jul 31st 2021 at 6:35:11 PM

At the very least we have reason to tone down the whole Iron legacy thing with Peter since Armor Wars and Ironheart are being made.

Like Rhodey is presumably patrolling the world to protect Tony's technology from being used by evil people and Riri Williams will actually be inspired by Tony's exploits to become her own Iron-person.

Spidey doesn't need to be clogged by the Iron legacy now.

Edited by slimcoder on Jul 31st 2021 at 6:35:40 AM

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#130997: Jul 31st 2021 at 7:08:06 PM

You know, something I imagined just as an idea for Shang-Chi was for Wenwu to create a holiday that celebrates Tony Stark's death and shits on the legacy of Iron Man out of pure pettiness for him screwing with the Ten Rings back in 2008, which Shang-Chi acknowledges is a horrible thing to do.

Although now that I see how many people genuinely hate Stark nowadays, I feel like that would cause a Misaimed Fandom instead.

Edited by MatthewWayne on Jul 31st 2021 at 7:08:57 AM

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#130998: Jul 31st 2021 at 7:19:52 PM

In my defence, I'm only half joking about how evil Tony is.

It's mostly for fun. You are right that it would probably get most people to cheer for Wen-wu though.

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Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
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#130999: Jul 31st 2021 at 7:22:07 PM

He killed Thanos's army while killing himself in the process. He's a hero, it's pretty hard to deny it now.

The legend has returned.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#131000: Jul 31st 2021 at 7:23:46 PM

He pulled the hail marry pass in the end.

Edited by slimcoder on Jul 31st 2021 at 7:23:55 AM

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