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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#130926: Jul 31st 2021 at 11:18:33 AM

Well we did get Peter B. Parker from Spider-Verse who actually is a grown-ass man.

[up][up] My issue is that barring MJ and Ned, they are nothing characters. They are basically background extras that keep getting hyped up in advertising for some reason.

Edited by slimcoder on Jul 31st 2021 at 11:19:30 AM

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Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#130927: Jul 31st 2021 at 11:18:57 AM

[up][up] I can't agree there. He has some great scenes that bring him above just being a Young Peter. Like him getting out of the rubble in Homecoming. Or his final fight with Mysterio in Far From Home.

I also kind of prefer young Peter to older Peter. The PS4 game being the sole exception.

[up]Also were he was just a joke. I love the movie, but not that version of Peter.

I get that complaint about his classmates.

Edited by Bullman on Jul 31st 2021 at 1:20:50 PM

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#130928: Jul 31st 2021 at 11:21:37 AM

Ludwig Goransson definitely, yeah, can't believe I forgot about him. He is after all the only one to win a academy award for best original score for a MCU movie.

Also I like Watts's direction in general and I agree that his problem is more being asphyxiated by the executive creative constrictions than anything. I feel like his take on young baby boy Peter is spot-on though.

Edited by Gaon on Jul 31st 2021 at 11:22:16 AM

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#130929: Jul 31st 2021 at 11:22:51 AM

I'm hoping the MCU's Peter Parker gets to be a Harry Potter-like character in that we see him quite literally grow and change over the course of many years. I know that Young Avengers is likely going to be a thing, especially with Billy and Tommy Maximoff, Kate Bishop, Eli Bradley and Cassie Lang being introduced. But since Spider-Man is kind of a lone wolf, it'll be unique to see him pop up wherever and react to situations differently based on his past experiences.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#130930: Jul 31st 2021 at 11:28:19 AM

Spider-Man is lowkey the greatest hero so I'm hoping Peter grows into that as well here.

Especially if does face the Sinister Six, thats gonna be a Hell of a gauntlet.

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Diana1969 Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#130931: Jul 31st 2021 at 11:29:57 AM

I'll admit I kind of prefer aspects of the Raimi and Webb characterizations of Peter to the MCU characterization, but I'm not quite sure I can word what it is about them that I prefer.

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#130932: Jul 31st 2021 at 11:36:03 AM

They are a more mature?

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Diana1969 Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#130933: Jul 31st 2021 at 11:40:23 AM

Not sure if "mature" is the right word.

Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#130934: Jul 31st 2021 at 11:44:12 AM

I saw a comment that summed it up nicely: Maguire and Garfield's takes are more grounded, and take more time to establish the Parkers' financial situation.

Even before all the Stark tech Holland's Peter gets to play around with, you never get the sense that the MCU Parkers are struggling, and that's a huge part of Spider-Man's characterization.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#130935: Jul 31st 2021 at 11:45:53 AM

Hey thats a similar issue with the last Spider-Man cartoon.

The one that had him go to a super-science school full of geniuses where they casually make shit like a sub-zero freezing ray or have access to Vibranium.

Edited by slimcoder on Jul 31st 2021 at 11:46:29 AM

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Diana1969 Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#130936: Jul 31st 2021 at 11:49:08 AM

Even before all the Stark tech Holland's Peter gets to play around with, you never get the sense that the MCU Parkers are struggling, and that's a huge part of Spider-Man's characterization.

This is it, yeah. This is what I was tryna think of. What I like is to see Peter struggle with life's bullshit. The Raimi movies had him dealing with rent and extra jobs and stuff, that's the kind of thing I like. MCU Peter doesn't feel like that.

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#130937: Jul 31st 2021 at 11:49:35 AM

For controversial he have being, I did agree with nostalgia critic video "new vs old" about how macguire and garfield but take diferent but valid aspect of spiderman: macguire is the "loser" who get shit down on him but perserve down the less while garfiled have this somewhat trollish aproach that is endering plus is romance with gwen is nice.

holland just....I dont know, him being so close to stark rub me the wrong way for some reason.

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#130938: Jul 31st 2021 at 11:51:20 AM

I don't remember that being pointed out in the Webb films at all. I feel like him living in a apartment with his aunt give the point across just fine.

Edited by Bullman on Jul 31st 2021 at 1:52:21 PM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#130939: Jul 31st 2021 at 11:52:18 AM

It is rather hard for Peter to struggle when he has Happy constantly watching him like a concerned parent.

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Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#130940: Jul 31st 2021 at 11:53:09 AM

The difference between MCU Spidey and mainline comics Spidey imo comes down to the Avengers pre existing. As soon as the deal was signed, there was a pretty clear desire to avoid rehashing elements from the Raimi and Webb films, and combined with the success of the MCU there was basically no way Peter wasn't going to become directly inspired by the team in a way he just isn't in the mainline comics. And from there it's a pretty straight line to making him Iron Man's protege and changing the tone from Working-Class Hero to off brand Batman Beyond.

Speaking of the deal, it expires after No Way Home, right? So they'd have to renegotiate after that. I'm not sure that's a super tenable position to be a central figure in any meta plot.

Edited by Aleistar on Jul 31st 2021 at 2:55:18 PM

Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#130941: Jul 31st 2021 at 11:54:06 AM

I don't remember that being pointed out in the Webb films at all. I feel like him living in a apartment with his aunt give the point across just fine.

There's a scene that recently made the rounds on Tumblr that the commenters extolled: the end of the first Amazing movie, where Garfield's Peter stumbles back into the house beat up, but he remembered to get the eggs Aunt May asked him to pick up. That kind of heart and dynamic feels missing from the MCU take because so much of it is high-flying Stark-affiliated adventure.

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#130942: Jul 31st 2021 at 11:55:23 AM

Garfield just rubbed me the wrong way. He seemed like a deuce and to cool to be bullied. I think what really killed it for me is he comes off as mean spirited in his jokes, which ruined any enjoyment factor I could have had with him.

[up] I disagree, but I can see where you are coming from. But as someone who has lived in a bad apartment with my mom, I kind of just instantly connected that to him being poor. It's not the kind of place you live if you have the money to live somewhere else.

[up][up] Actually Tom then has to do another non-Spidey MCU film. Then they have re-negotiate the deal.

Edited by Bullman on Jul 31st 2021 at 2:01:08 PM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#130943: Jul 31st 2021 at 11:58:46 AM

Honestly the main reason why I want Happy gone is he can stop with the fucking Aunt May is hot gags.

I fucking hate those jokes, Peter is always so uncomfortable every time. No one wants to be reminded of how hot their parent is, thats just wrong.

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Diana1969 Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#130944: Jul 31st 2021 at 11:58:47 AM

There's a scene that recently made the rounds on Tumblr that the commenters extolled: the end of the first Amazing movie, where Garfield's Peter stumbles back into the house beat up, but he remembered to get the eggs Aunt May asked him to pick up. That kind of heart and dynamic feels missing from the MCU take because so much of it is high-flying Stark-affiliated adventure.

I love those kind of scenes. Really, one thing that's missing from MCU Spidey is that the Raimi and Webb movies emphasized Peter's superheroics making an impact on people. The Raimi movies had Osborne's hostages all rallying to defend Spidey, the first Webb movie had that scene with the construction workers all lining up some steel girders so Peter could swing on them...and y'know, that stuff is goofy as hell, but it still works.

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#130945: Jul 31st 2021 at 12:01:56 PM

[up] I actually hated those scenes personally. I just could not take them seriously.

That said Spider-Man 2's train sequence is an example of that working in my opinion.

Edited by Bullman on Jul 31st 2021 at 2:03:27 PM

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#130946: Jul 31st 2021 at 12:03:37 PM

Maguire-Spidey really felt like the most "relatable" all around to me as well. Sure, he had his cheesy moments, but overall he definitely came across as a guy next door who just happened to stumble into the life of a superhero.

Edited by Forenperser on Jul 31st 2021 at 9:03:45 PM

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#130947: Jul 31st 2021 at 12:03:57 PM

Even though I really didn't like The Amazing Spider-Man 2, one of scenes I really liked was Peter stopping a little kid from being bullied, and then taking the time to help him put his science project back together before walking him home. It's a honestly humanizing moment, and probably the scene that best exemplifies Peter as a "friendly neighbourhood Spider-Man".

Now, the ending of the movie where the same kid tries to take on the Rhino was pushing that moment too far IMO, but I like how the earlier scene was executed at least.

Edited by chasemaddigan on Jul 31st 2021 at 3:04:59 PM

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#130948: Jul 31st 2021 at 12:06:13 PM

[up] Actually I love that scene as well. Just a little bit of kindness, and the most likeable that version comes off in my opinion. Really makes him feel like a friendly neighborhood Spider-Man.

Edited by Bullman on Jul 31st 2021 at 2:06:57 PM

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#130949: Jul 31st 2021 at 12:14:47 PM

I really like the montage at the start of Homecoming, that did a fantastic job of getting the "friendly neighborhood" aspect across.

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#130950: Jul 31st 2021 at 12:35:29 PM

I guess what also bothers me about MCU Spidey is the complete lack of mentioning Uncle Ben.

Sure, you do not have to put his death into focus again, but still, like with Batman and the death of his parents, this is the motivating factor for Peter. Ignoring it alltogether just doesn't feel right.

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