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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#130901: Jul 31st 2021 at 10:19:57 AM

And the Spider-Man movies are great, easily my favorite live-action incarnation of the character.

ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#130902: Jul 31st 2021 at 10:20:28 AM

[up][up][up]Watts may have directed those movies, but he didn't write Far From Home, and he was one of several writers on Homecoming. A lot of the creative decisions weren't really in his hands.

So unless there was something you actually disliked about his real direction (a lot of which would come down to cinematographers and editors anyway), saying you hate him for...making movies you didn't like, I guess?

Well that seems a bit much.

Edited by ArthurEld on Jul 31st 2021 at 10:21:01 AM

Akirakan Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#130903: Jul 31st 2021 at 10:27:56 AM

Favorite directors have to be Coogler, Gunn , and Waititi. I was also surprised by Cate Shortland in Black Widow.

Composers, Silvestri composed the most memorable pieces of the MCU so far (the Avengers and Captain America themes). Göransson has the best soundtrack overall. And also from Black Widow, I still have many of the tunes from Bale in my head.

Worst director have to go to Alan Taylor in Dark World.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#130904: Jul 31st 2021 at 10:31:36 AM

Wait how does the soundtrack of Guardians which is primarily licensed music fit into the composer rating?

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#130905: Jul 31st 2021 at 10:33:15 AM

While I’d agree that MCU Spider-Man isn’t the best depiction Spidey’s ever had, that isn’t entirely the directors fault. There’s a degree to which he inherited that characterization, and he’s likely not the person responsible for Marvel’s choice not to have Peter grow past his initial characterization.

The MCU Spidey movies, themselves are very well made and well directed films, they’re just made on top of stock I think could have been better.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jul 31st 2021 at 10:36:52 AM

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#130906: Jul 31st 2021 at 10:34:05 AM

I don't really have a favourite director or least favourite,I have films I like and films I hate,I've never felt the need to have a liking or disliking for a director of a movie

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#130907: Jul 31st 2021 at 10:38:44 AM

A director's main job is to tell the cast and crew how they want the film to look like. Writing is usually entirely out of their wheelhouse. If you have a film with good actors and a good script but bad performances and bad lighting choices (not good lighting choices done poorly, that would be the fault of the gaffer), that's when you have a bad director.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Jul 31st 2021 at 10:39:04 AM

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#130908: Jul 31st 2021 at 10:40:45 AM

My main complaint with the two MCU Spider-Man films (and I've seen others make the complaint too) is how in both movies the villain is some asshole that used to work for Tony Stark.

Other than that, both films are fine.

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#130909: Jul 31st 2021 at 10:43:39 AM

Vulture didn't work for Stark. He worked for the city and Stark took his job.

And Vulture was a lot more personal of a villain to Peter than people like to portray him as.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Jul 31st 2021 at 10:44:37 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#130910: Jul 31st 2021 at 10:44:31 AM

Its more both villains have a vendetta against Tony and thus don't necessarily have a thing towards Peter at least at first.

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#130911: Jul 31st 2021 at 10:48:02 AM

And people seem to like Watts in general. At the very least, Feige liked him enough to trust him with the Fantastic Four.

As for me, my favorite directors are the Russos, Gunn, and Waititi, while my least favorite is definitely Shane Black. With Whedon at least his Avengers films are good enough for me to seperate them from the person, but Black did the only (canon) MCU entry I outright hate, and his smug attitude towards the people who raise legitimate points to take issue with it (not to mention him enabling his pedophile friend and everything else that happened with his awful Predator movie) doesn't endear him very much to me.

Edited by lbssb on Jul 31st 2021 at 10:49:03 AM

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#130912: Jul 31st 2021 at 10:50:26 AM

My favorite director is either James Gunn or Jon Watts.

Least favorite is either Joss Whedon or Alan Taylor.

Edited by Bullman on Jul 31st 2021 at 12:51:08 PM

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#130913: Jul 31st 2021 at 10:52:38 AM

Alan Taylor gets a pass from me because he was under a lot of Troubled Production and Executive Meddling, and the fact that Dark World is at least a passable film is pretty admirable considering all that. Plus, I remember hearing he was a last-minute replacement for Patty Jenkins or something? (I know she was involved at one point, but I don't know how much she actually did that made it into the final film).

Edited by lbssb on Jul 31st 2021 at 10:53:40 AM

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#130914: Jul 31st 2021 at 10:59:54 AM

Yeah, I gotta give credit to Holt for her score on Loki (2021). It's genuinely one of the most unique soundtracks out of the MCU and truly gives an offbeat atmosphere to the show that's hard to put into words.

Plus, there was the time she threw eggs at Simon Cowell.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#130915: Jul 31st 2021 at 11:00:31 AM

Wait what about eggs?

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#130916: Jul 31st 2021 at 11:00:43 AM

So unless there was something you actually disliked about his real direction (a lot of which would come down to cinematographers and editors anyway), saying you hate him for...making movies you didn't like, I guess?

Well that seems a bit much.

Alright so uh...I fully admit I typed that really quick while at work and didn't think through what I was saying all that well. Four hour sleep brain is cranky and doesn't think well. I meant to say he was just one of my least favorites.

I don't particularly like the creative decisions with Peter's character and I despise Far From Home, but I genuinely don't know how much is Watts and how much is Marvel/Disney.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#130917: Jul 31st 2021 at 11:00:53 AM

As far as composers go, Henry Jackman and Alan Silvestri likely get the main spotlight for doing the most iconic MCU score pieces. Giacchino also has some funky work in Doctor Strange:

Directors I think we're pretty set on James Gunn, Russo Brothers and Ryan Coogler. Technically the film hasn't been released yet, but Multiverse of Madness has Sam Raimi, which is likely the most storied career of any director in the MCU so by names and careers, Raimi has the gold medal.

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#130918: Jul 31st 2021 at 11:01:42 AM

I think part of the reason Jon Watts' Spider-Man movies have been varying in quality is because he's sorta stuck having to do things that make both Marvel and Sony happy, which is kind of stifling creatively. Thus there's more pressure for him to keep certain aspects of the character the same, while still making him a new and unique character that's different from the other Peter Parkers. Plus, so many people are familiar with Spider-Man already, it's kinda hard to retread his story without boring people to death.

That being said, I do have faith in Watts for Fantastic Four. Since he'll be solely under the Marvel Studios umbrella, I'll bet he'll have a bit more creative freedom to do what he wants with the characters. And it helps that the other film adaptations of the Fantastic Four have been...less than stellar, thus the idea of rebooting them is actually warranted.

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#130919: Jul 31st 2021 at 11:04:55 AM

I actually like the direction they went with MCU Spider-Man, besides Uncle Ben not being mentioned. I actually prefer it to say Webb's take. That said I get the complaints. That being said the majority of the fanbase loves his take and I can also see that too. Tom Holland is just to damn charming to hate.

Edited by Bullman on Jul 31st 2021 at 1:06:32 PM

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#130920: Jul 31st 2021 at 11:07:00 AM

For composers I do agree with Ludwig Goransson and Alan Silvestri. Mark Mothersbaugh was a good get for Ragnarok as well.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#130921: Jul 31st 2021 at 11:09:20 AM

One thing I hope most for Spider-Man is eventually leaving the high-school setting so they can stop hyping up the classmates every installment.

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#130922: Jul 31st 2021 at 11:10:37 AM

Every theatrical Spider-Man has their strengths and weaknesses.

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#130923: Jul 31st 2021 at 11:11:37 AM

[up][up][up][up] I actually didn't mind Andrew Garfield's Spider-Man. He had the warm, friendly aspect of Spider-Man that I thought made him somewhat engaging. I just didn't care much for his supporting cast. I honestly don't care much for Tobey Maguire. I guess he's got the dorkiness of Peter Parker down, but I don't really care for him as Spider-Man himself. Meanwhile Tom Holland is both dorky and awkward as Peter, but is still somewhat fun and entertaining as Spider-Man without being too perfect. So I think Tom Holland is the most rounded out of the Spider-Man actors.

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Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#130924: Jul 31st 2021 at 11:13:34 AM

I like the fact that we get to see Peter grow up. That said that this next movie has to be him graduating, because Tom is starting to not pass for a High Schooler as well.

[up][up][up]Though do you have a problem with any of them in particular.

Edited by Bullman on Jul 31st 2021 at 1:15:26 PM

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#130925: Jul 31st 2021 at 11:13:58 AM

Maybe is me but I dont see that much on holland beyond being young peter parker and really so many media is trying to put him as younger that I dont really care anymore.

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