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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#130876: Jul 30th 2021 at 9:11:48 PM

My guess all this back and forth is just chest pounding, its insanely easy to prove what was in the original contract which promised a theater release (contract was signed in 2017 IIRC) and also easy to prove or disprove an addendum to that contract to allow a streaming release.

That depends on the contract. A lot of legal disputes arise because the precise wording of a contract isn't sufficiently clear, resulting in different interpretations.

gjjones Musician/Composer from South Wales, New York Since: Jul, 2016
Musician/Composer
#130877: Jul 30th 2021 at 9:18:45 PM

I've also got a feeling that Shang-Chi might redeem his father. I could be wrong, though.

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#130878: Jul 30th 2021 at 9:30:13 PM

Why are we hiding things behind spoiler bars? We literally don't know what's going to happen in the movie yet.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#130879: Jul 30th 2021 at 9:34:11 PM

The spoiler bars are there as a courtesy for people who don't want to know the plot details explained in things like featurettes pre-release - while they're official, that sort of thing tends to go into more detail than things like trailers, and not everybody is down with that so I spoiler tagged the initial plot point to be on the safe side.

Everyone else is spoiler tagging their speculation about that plot point.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jul 30th 2021 at 9:36:25 AM

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#130880: Jul 30th 2021 at 9:38:21 PM

Alrighty then

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gjjones Musician/Composer from South Wales, New York Since: Jul, 2016
Musician/Composer
#130881: Jul 30th 2021 at 11:22:45 PM

Anyway, I have a general question: who are your favorite MCU composers and directors? Least favorite?

Edited by gjjones on Jul 30th 2021 at 2:26:38 PM

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#130882: Jul 31st 2021 at 1:28:54 AM

Favorite? Erm... I don't have much idea who most of the composers are except maybe Alan Silvestri. He did the first two Avengers films, right? Those both have pretty good scores.

Favorite directors? I dunno. The Russo Brothers seem to be holding their own pretty well.

Least favorite? Probably whoever directed The Incredible Hulk, cause that film is boring AF.

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gjjones Musician/Composer from South Wales, New York Since: Jul, 2016
Musician/Composer
#130883: Jul 31st 2021 at 1:41:41 AM

Least favorite? Probably whoever directed The Incredible Hulk, cause that film is boring AF.

That would be Louis Leterrier.

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#130884: Jul 31st 2021 at 2:22:05 AM

Seconding the Avengers scores being awesome, that central theme is burned into my brain from every time it and permutations of it are used for the biggest moments and end credits. The Portals scene is amazing on its own, but hearing that remixed Avengers theme behind it elevated it to legendary status.

Outside of the Avengers films (and Guardians, for obvious reasons), the soundtrack that stuck with me most is Black Panther. Some great sounds and rhythms in that soundtrack.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#130885: Jul 31st 2021 at 2:35:27 AM

Fave directors? Taika Waititi and Ryan Coogler. Used to include the Russos, but while they are good as directors, they're not exceptional, and some of their choices as storytellers are truly baffling. I do wonder how much of Infinity War and Endgame was truly them and not the second unit, though. It's possible having all those hands in the pie could've caused problems that are not really their own fault.

Worst director? Conflicted, as most of my actual least favorite MCU films had issues where the main problems came from terrible writing or backstage drama, whereas the directing was usually still adequate. Age of Ultron being wholly Joss Whedon's baby means he's damn pretty low on the list, though. Some good moments but by and by the film was a slog.

For composters it's Ludwig Goransson on BP and Henry Jackman on the latter two Captain America films. Silvestri is fine but I guess too conventional for my tastes, and that's also my big problem with Brian Tyler. Effective but bland.

Edited by AlleyOop on Jul 31st 2021 at 5:46:32 AM

jakobitis Doctor of Doctorates from Somewhere, somewhen Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Doctor of Doctorates
#130886: Jul 31st 2021 at 2:52:13 AM

Favourite directors are Waititi and James Gunn. Least favourite? Not sure really. Whoever it was who made Thor 2 so incredibly dull I remember approximately none of it except Loki "dying"... Again.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#130887: Jul 31st 2021 at 2:54:02 AM

Huh sign me up for the director of Thor 2 being a least favorite.

What a boring final battle I'm remembering.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#130888: Jul 31st 2021 at 3:04:27 AM

Alan Taylor, who worked as an episode director for Game of Thrones. But that film was so plagued with production issues that I can't necessarily blame him for that as he was a late addition to a film largely crafted by committee.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#130890: Jul 31st 2021 at 5:22:17 AM

Yeah, as a response to Jakobitis and Slimcoder's posts since they didn't remember the name?

Edited by AlleyOop on Jul 31st 2021 at 8:22:48 AM

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#130892: Jul 31st 2021 at 5:55:20 AM

My favorite director so far is Ryan Coogler just because I really like the color palette and set design.

My favorite music is probably both of the Guardians movies because I love jukebox musicals when they're done well and they count as those in my mind.

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#130893: Jul 31st 2021 at 6:20:48 AM

I really like Silvestri's score for the Avengers films, which have been iconic in their own right. I should point out that he didn't do the score for Age of Ultron though. That was Brian Tyler and Danny Elfman, and I thought they did fine work for that film.

I also tend to get the Ant-Man theme by Christophe Beck stuck in my head at random intervals.

Edited by chasemaddigan on Jul 31st 2021 at 9:22:05 AM

jakobitis Doctor of Doctorates from Somewhere, somewhen Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Doctor of Doctorates
#130894: Jul 31st 2021 at 7:15:23 AM

That's a fair point about there being a lot of behind the scenes hassle on Thor 2, which definitely didn't help so it might be a bit harsh on the director to blame him.

That said, it was indubitably a very bland, beige and boring film so my vote still goes to him as least favourite even if by default.

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#130895: Jul 31st 2021 at 7:58:10 AM

My favorite composer for the MCU has to be Natalie Holt. I've liked all the MCU scores in the past, but hers was the first to make me feel "Holy shit, there's so many electronic elements!", which I relate to as a producer. Ludwig Görannson is probably my backup tho, especially with what he's contributed to Black Panther, Community, and the Mandalorian. It helps that one of my professors in my college taught him!

As for directors...I think I'm going to go for a darkhorse and say Peyton Reed. I love the little world he's built for Ant-Man, and he's made Scott Lang and his family/friends some of my favorite characters. My backup is the Russo Brothers though, since they've proven to be quite flexible in terms of doing small scale and large scale films.

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Diana1969 Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#130896: Jul 31st 2021 at 8:16:07 AM

As far as favorites go, I'm giving it to James Gunn and Taika Waititi.

As far as least favorites, I'm going with Joss Whedon and whoever directed the two MCU Spider-Man movies.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#130897: Jul 31st 2021 at 8:29:52 AM

Both spiderman movies were directed by Jon Watts

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AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
Look, just be decent to one another ok?
#130898: Jul 31st 2021 at 9:32:45 AM

My favorites are James Gunn, Taika Waititi and Ryan Coogler and my least favorite is easily Joss Whedon.

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Diana1969 Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#130899: Jul 31st 2021 at 10:08:19 AM

Both spiderman movies were directed by Jon Watts

Then he's who I hate alongside Whedon.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#130900: Jul 31st 2021 at 10:17:22 AM

OK,what do you have against him in particular?

(I get Whedon for being a creep,but I'm not sure what there is to hate about Jon)

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