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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Mario1995 The Dishonorable from Atlanta Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
The Dishonorable
#130851: Jul 30th 2021 at 9:27:23 AM

[up][up] A troll? That's...not my intention.

Edited by Mario1995 on Jul 30th 2021 at 12:27:50 PM

"The devil's got all the good gear. What's God got? The Inspiral Carpets and nuns. Fuck that." - Liam Gallagher
EmeraldEmperor Lies and Violence! Since: Oct, 2020
Lies and Violence!
#130852: Jul 30th 2021 at 9:29:54 AM

While I wouldn't go as far as to call you a troll, I'll agree that it's getting incredibly obnoxious.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#130853: Jul 30th 2021 at 9:31:06 AM

Multiple times, you have come into this thread to post about Black Widow's sales figures not being amazing, and that it is surefire evidence that the MCU is doomed. And every time, you have ignored people saying that Black Widow's sales figures are because of the pandemic, not the MCU losing steam.

If you're not a troll, you seem to be an MCU hater salivating at the thought of it going under.

Mario1995 The Dishonorable from Atlanta Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
The Dishonorable
#130854: Jul 30th 2021 at 9:31:55 AM

[up]I'm...not any of that.

"The devil's got all the good gear. What's God got? The Inspiral Carpets and nuns. Fuck that." - Liam Gallagher
Fighteer MOD Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#130855: Jul 30th 2021 at 9:32:19 AM

I agree. ~Mario1995, this constant barrage of negativity from you is unhelpful and distracting. It serves no purpose other than to drag down the conversation. If you continue to do it, you will be thumped. If you do it after that, you will be banned from this forum.

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Mario1995 The Dishonorable from Atlanta Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
The Dishonorable
#130856: Jul 30th 2021 at 9:34:40 AM

...My bad.

"The devil's got all the good gear. What's God got? The Inspiral Carpets and nuns. Fuck that." - Liam Gallagher
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#130857: Jul 30th 2021 at 9:38:11 AM

Alright, if you're genuinely not trying to be a Negative Nancy, you can start by answering my question last page about what you meant by "Marvel marketing starting to follow WB's path".

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Jul 30th 2021 at 9:38:33 AM

Mario1995 The Dishonorable from Atlanta Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
The Dishonorable
#130858: Jul 30th 2021 at 9:42:57 AM

[up]Well, WB marketing was known for being poor enough that it contributed to a lot of their movies in the last several years underperforming.

"The devil's got all the good gear. What's God got? The Inspiral Carpets and nuns. Fuck that." - Liam Gallagher
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#130859: Jul 30th 2021 at 9:46:55 AM

Really? I thought WB's marketing was one of their strongest suits, I've always been impressed by their trailers. It's the fact that all of the early DCCU movies were garbage that made their later movies underperform. If anything, their trailers are too good, I was apprehensive about Wonder Woman and Aquaman because their trailers looked just as great as the ones that were for Batman v. Superman and Suicide Squad, and so I felt like I couldn't trust them as an accurate representation of quality.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Jul 30th 2021 at 9:47:37 AM

Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#130860: Jul 30th 2021 at 9:48:05 AM

Yeah, it's a running joke that the Suicide Squad trailers were ultimately much better than the actual movie.

[down]The new one isn’t even out, no time for it to develop into a “running joke”.

Edited by Synchronicity on Jul 30th 2021 at 12:02:31 PM

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#130861: Jul 30th 2021 at 9:50:19 AM

[up] Are you talking about the David Ayer or James Gunn film? Because word on Gunn's movie has been pretty positive so far.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#130862: Jul 30th 2021 at 9:50:32 AM

Queen helped in that regard.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#130863: Jul 30th 2021 at 9:51:11 AM

(I also haven't seen the David Ayer movie)

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Lost in Space
#130864: Jul 30th 2021 at 9:52:43 AM

Yeah, I've always felt that WB's marketing of the DCCU has been fairly strong. It's just that the films sucked (with a few exceptions).

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#130865: Jul 30th 2021 at 9:54:52 AM

There's a big difference between the Suicide Squad and The Suicide Squad. Man, the new one really needs a subtitle.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Jul 30th 2021 at 9:55:27 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#130866: Jul 30th 2021 at 9:55:20 AM

The Suicide Squad: Starfish Reins

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Mario1995 The Dishonorable from Atlanta Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
The Dishonorable
#130867: Jul 30th 2021 at 9:58:25 AM

Anywho, regarding the new Shang-Chi poster. It seems weird that they went with a blue backdrop, because it doesn't blend at all with the movie logo.

"The devil's got all the good gear. What's God got? The Inspiral Carpets and nuns. Fuck that." - Liam Gallagher
MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#130868: Jul 30th 2021 at 10:00:07 AM

I do agree that I don't like the color of the backdrop. It just makes it needlessly darker, and harder to see all the characters.

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#130869: Jul 30th 2021 at 10:36:27 AM

The big thing as well with DCEU marketing is that it's diverse. WB really lets creatives have full control of the entire thing and that clearly includes the marketing. In contrast MCU marketing is significantly more consistent, which is valid in its own way (see: the tepid response to the first Eternals trailer) but that means they usually have the same pros and cons.

ShadowWingLG Since: Dec, 2013
#130870: Jul 30th 2021 at 4:58:55 PM

Back to Scar Jo-

My guess all this back and forth is just chest pounding, its insanely easy to prove what was in the original contract which promised a theater release (contract was signed in 2017 IIRC) and also easy to prove or disprove an addendum to that contract to allow a streaming release. The fact there may be several legal actions already in progress against WB for the EXACT SAME CRAP should have tipped somebody in Disney Legal that this wasn't a hot idea.

The fact that ONLY Scar Jo's camp is saying outright there was no addendum while Disney is implying she was 'fully compensated' when a simple "We signed an addendum for the hybrid release on (insert date) and she was paid (insert amount/percentage)" would have tanked her suit SO FAST. Disney being coy is either Scar Jo being 100% right with no addendum, or she's smelling some Hollywood Accounting at work with the D+ numbers.

My point still stands they want her to back down, but chances are high she won't and they will eventually find a number to pay her off with to keep ALLLLL the Marvel Talent happy

Edited by ShadowWingLG on Jul 30th 2021 at 7:00:04 AM

Mario1995 The Dishonorable from Atlanta Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
The Dishonorable
#130871: Jul 30th 2021 at 5:14:35 PM

[up]My guess? Media conglomerates literally see their "battle" with Netflix and Amazon as a life-or-death scenario, and if talent and creatives have to take a back seat, so be it.

Of course, this has never been the case at all.

"The devil's got all the good gear. What's God got? The Inspiral Carpets and nuns. Fuck that." - Liam Gallagher
Tabs Since: Jan, 2001
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#130873: Jul 30th 2021 at 7:49:28 PM

Well, that's interesting plot point they revealed there, though still without really getting into what it means. They drop that when Shang was a kid, his father was evil enough for Shang to want to leave but not necessarily as bad as he could have been, but that in the intervening years since they've seen each other he's gotten worse and is now fully reprehensible. I wonder if that means that Shang is going to try to redeem Wenwu or something.

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#130874: Jul 30th 2021 at 7:54:19 PM

Nothing wrong with reforming some villains, I don't see why not.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#130875: Jul 30th 2021 at 8:02:06 PM

Well he’ll be better than Taskmaster at the very least. He’s shaping up to be an actual character.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

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