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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#130826: Jul 30th 2021 at 6:51:53 AM

I’m honestly not sure why the Mandarin’s rings are huge arm braces but they look stylish.

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miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#130827: Jul 30th 2021 at 6:52:03 AM

Mandarin's arms look weird.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#130828: Jul 30th 2021 at 6:53:15 AM

Marvel should make some movie posters inspired by comic covers

Marketing tested every major cast member assembled in some way is fine and good but embrace your roots marvel

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#130829: Jul 30th 2021 at 6:54:36 AM

It could allow for some more creative covers.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#130830: Jul 30th 2021 at 6:56:08 AM

I'm curious if the Ten Rings will take HYDRA's place as the big evil organization that everyone fears and hates for the next few phases. Because since they technically appeared in Phase 1 and early Phase 2 before just...vanishing, I'd imagine most people's reactions would be something amongst the lines of "Wait, these guys are an actual threat??? I thought their leader was some failed drunken British actor!"

Edited by MatthewWayne on Jul 30th 2021 at 6:56:33 AM

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miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#130831: Jul 30th 2021 at 6:59:14 AM

They were probably meant to be a bigger thing before shane black uh....did his thing.

I'm certain that derailed their plans for them for awhile .

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#130832: Jul 30th 2021 at 7:02:53 AM

It be really fitting if absolutely no one mentions Killian.

He's just forgotten about, his entire existence faded from humanity like nothing.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#130833: Jul 30th 2021 at 7:16:46 AM

Real for Actual True Mandarin has a Killian dartboard in his office

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Mario1995 The Dishonorable from Atlanta Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
The Dishonorable
#130834: Jul 30th 2021 at 7:22:18 AM

Good lord is Marvel marketing starting to follow WB's path? Because that's not good.

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#130835: Jul 30th 2021 at 7:23:33 AM

What do you mean by that?

Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#130836: Jul 30th 2021 at 7:24:06 AM

I’m honestly not sure why the Mandarin's rings are huge arm braces but they look stylish.

They've reworked the Mandarin's rings into the iron rings used in martial arts like Hung Gar, most likely to make them more authentically Chinese.

Personally a fan of it, does leave room for the more "traditional" rings in the future too.

Marvel should make some movie posters inspired by comic covers

Marketing tested every major cast member assembled in some way is fine and good but embrace your roots marvel

They really should and it honestly sucks that they don't. They haven't been super-faithful but there's a lot of really good Marvel covers that they should really lean into. Would instantly separate them from DC at least - DC's been doing a lot better with more artistic promotion but they've been leaving that money on the table too.

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#130837: Jul 30th 2021 at 7:35:24 AM

I feel like Fantastic Four has an excellent opportunity to do that with the famous cover of their first issue.

The legend has returned.
MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#130838: Jul 30th 2021 at 8:02:53 AM

I honestly don't have a problem with the poster. It might not be the best promotional image in the world, but I don't think it's terrible by any means, except maybe the background colors.

And in regards to the Shane Black thing, I was looking at this more from a Watsonian POV (as I often do when it comes to stuff like this). Yeah, the fake Mandarin thing was controversial, but if the Ten Rings return as an international threat, it would be interesting to see some commentary on how the U.S let the War on Terror fuel their fears of something that seemed pretty shady in retrospect, and lampshade that the group hasn't been active since late 2012/early 2013.

In other news, it seems that Kevin Feige isn't happy about the hybrid release of Black Widow either. I'll give the guy credit in that he seems to be standing with Scarlett for the time being.

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
Mario1995 The Dishonorable from Atlanta Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
The Dishonorable
#130839: Jul 30th 2021 at 8:23:21 AM

ScarJo's agent responds:

Bryan Lourd, Scarlet Johansson's agent, said just now in a statement about Disney's statement, "They have shamelessly and falsely accused Ms. Johansson of being insensitive to the global COVID pandemic, in an attempt to make her appear to be someone they and I know she isn’t."
"Disney’s direct attack on her character and all else they implied is beneath the company that many of us in the creative community have worked with successfully for decades."
"The company included her salary in their press statement in an attempt to weaponize her success as an artist and businesswoman, as if that were something she should be ashamed of."

"The devil's got all the good gear. What's God got? The Inspiral Carpets and nuns. Fuck that." - Liam Gallagher
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#130840: Jul 30th 2021 at 8:25:16 AM

Back fourth statements it seems

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#130841: Jul 30th 2021 at 8:28:08 AM

[up][up] This just seems to be some kind of performative legal fight that's just stalling the inevitable

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Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#130842: Jul 30th 2021 at 8:38:51 AM

[up]That would be my guess. The legal equivalent of thumping the chest to intimidate an opponent.

Mario1995 The Dishonorable from Atlanta Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
The Dishonorable
#130843: Jul 30th 2021 at 9:04:51 AM

Apparently Feige is furious too.

"[Feige is] a company man, and not prone to corporate showdowns or shouting matches. But I’m told he’s angry and embarrassed," Belloni's newsletter reads in part. "He lobbied Disney against the day-and-date plan for Black Widow, preferring the big screen exclusivity and not wanting to upset his talent. And then when the sh-t hit the fan, the movie started tanking, and Johansson’s team threatened litigation, he wanted Disney to make this right with her."

Safe to say the chances of Feige leaving Marvel just shot way up.

"The devil's got all the good gear. What's God got? The Inspiral Carpets and nuns. Fuck that." - Liam Gallagher
Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#130844: Jul 30th 2021 at 9:05:32 AM

[up]I think Disney will capitulate to their golden goose. They have the money.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#130845: Jul 30th 2021 at 9:05:34 AM

Okay why do you keep saying that?

Every time something comes up, you always say Feige's gonna leave.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#130846: Jul 30th 2021 at 9:12:45 AM

[up] x5: Yeah, I've seen decent arguments elsewhere that this is just the narrative game of lawyers for high-profile parties jousting in public before settling in private. One can very reasonably argue that Disney deliberately let shit lapse like this because they benefit more from settling now than negotiating beforehand, which is still scummy as hell but Scarlett's lawyers suing puts everyone on that table and at the end of the day all they have to do is agree on how much Disney pays her. The chances of this actually going to court are near-zero and until Feige's comment I wasn't thinking there'd even be any serious bridges burned from this.

That said...

[up] x3: ....no? The hell? Why?

We're talking about a man that's built his whole career on the Marvel brand, you really think he's gonna set fire to it for Scarlett Johansson of all people?

Edited by Watchtower on Jul 30th 2021 at 12:13:04 PM

Mario1995 The Dishonorable from Atlanta Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
The Dishonorable
#130847: Jul 30th 2021 at 9:16:59 AM

[up]I mean, if Chapek keeps throwing him under the bus....

"The devil's got all the good gear. What's God got? The Inspiral Carpets and nuns. Fuck that." - Liam Gallagher
Akirakan Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#130848: Jul 30th 2021 at 9:25:20 AM

This is the only period there's been any conflict between Marvel and Disney. And exactly when did Chapek threw Feige under the bus? In none of the statements so far Feige is even mentioned.

Feige was probably more miserable during the Perlmutter era than now, and yet he didn't quit then, he is not going to quit now when we currently live in a extraordinary situation.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#130849: Jul 30th 2021 at 9:25:27 AM

I think Mario 1995 is just a troll. All they've done in this thread is come in, doomsay that the MCU is on a path to destruction, and then refuse to engage in the conversation when questioned.

ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#130850: Jul 30th 2021 at 9:26:52 AM

They have mentioned that they are certain Feige will resign by the end of 2021.

So I'm looking forward to the goal post moving they're going to do when that doesn't happen.

"Oh no, I meant the fiscal year."


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