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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Mario1995 The Dishonorable from Atlanta Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
The Dishonorable
#130801: Jul 29th 2021 at 4:45:08 PM

[up]They're going to settle before anybody looks at the books. I guarantee it. That's sadly how most of this stuff works.

All they can do is just say "Here's $30-$50 million. Go crazy."

Edited by Mario1995 on Jul 29th 2021 at 7:46:40 AM

"The devil's got all the good gear. What's God got? The Inspiral Carpets and nuns. Fuck that." - Liam Gallagher
chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#130802: Jul 29th 2021 at 5:16:23 PM

I just saw a comment that highlighted how messed up the situation with Johansson is. She wasn't just the lead actor, she was also one of the executive producers on the film. That's a position that holds a lot of power over a film's production. So, that's even bigger blow that Disney broke their contract with her.

Edited by chasemaddigan on Jul 29th 2021 at 8:16:32 AM

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#130803: Jul 29th 2021 at 5:18:10 PM

Yeah, I would have imagined they would have renegotiate her contract before release. Like, up until the release of the film she was still doing promotion for it and knew that it was getting a stream release. I imagined that either Disney or her manager would have done whatever negotiation would be needed.

Johansson’s lawsuit says that her agents attempted to reach out for renegotiation due to the streaming release but received no response from Disney or Marvel.

Disney didn't seem so concerned about the pandemic when they opened up their theme parks...

Or when they restored executive salaries after laying off thousands of employees during the pandemic.

Mario1995 The Dishonorable from Atlanta Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
The Dishonorable
#130804: Jul 29th 2021 at 5:24:19 PM

[up]I'm sure ScarJo would donate 50% of her settlement money to all those laid off cast members still unemployed.

(Honestly I hope she does.)

Edited by Mario1995 on Jul 29th 2021 at 8:24:30 AM

"The devil's got all the good gear. What's God got? The Inspiral Carpets and nuns. Fuck that." - Liam Gallagher
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#130805: Jul 29th 2021 at 5:38:17 PM

I am the reverse Lorax, I do not speak for the tree. tongue

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#130806: Jul 29th 2021 at 6:02:03 PM

While I personally dislike Scarlet Johansson, if a legal contract was broken then she has all right to dispute it. And even if she's already rich, it's about the principle of the thing. Being rich might make her more likely to win the suit but the same rules should apply, and compared to Disney she's the underdog here.

Edited by AlleyOop on Jul 29th 2021 at 9:02:41 AM

Mario1995 The Dishonorable from Atlanta Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
The Dishonorable
#130807: Jul 29th 2021 at 6:07:21 PM

[up]I still think a settlement is how it will end. Studios would rather prefer not to see their accounting methods scrutinized, and money always talks.

Heck, they could offer her a higher upfront payment for that upcoming Tower of Terror movie in addition to the settlement and she'll say, "Cool." The pandemic will (probably) be ancient history by then.

Edited by Mario1995 on Jul 29th 2021 at 9:08:05 AM

"The devil's got all the good gear. What's God got? The Inspiral Carpets and nuns. Fuck that." - Liam Gallagher
MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#130808: Jul 29th 2021 at 6:23:21 PM

[up]I don't want to doomsay too much, but I'm worried that the pandemic won't be ancient history anytime soon, just based on everyone's behavioral patterns in regards to taking it seriously. Heck, I still think this thing might go on for the entire decade or longer, given the whole Delta variant situation. And if that's the case, that's going to really affect budgeting for future projects, unless they all jump to Disney+ or something.

Edited by MatthewWayne on Jul 29th 2021 at 6:23:39 AM

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OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#130809: Jul 29th 2021 at 6:38:03 PM

It would be dying down in a year or two if people weren’t being idiots.

Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#130810: Jul 29th 2021 at 6:42:22 PM

So we should head to space then, no covid there.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
StrixObscuro from Somewhere in Massachusetts Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
#130811: Jul 29th 2021 at 7:51:34 PM

It's not in space yet, you mean...

Of course, with all those asshole millionaires jockeying for their own fifteen minutes in space, it's only a matter of time before the virus gets into orbit.

Edited by StrixObscuro on Jul 29th 2021 at 10:52:29 AM

By now, it should be clear to all except the most dense of us that sheep are secretly conspiring to kill us all and steal our pants.
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#130812: Jul 29th 2021 at 9:03:36 PM

[up] This is both off-topic and a little absurd. Suborbital spaceflights are self-contained and are only up there for a few minutes. Viruses can't live in the vacuum of space anyway, even if they could somehow escape the sealed environment of the spacecraft. The worst that could happen is that the people on board get sick.

There has been a lot of concern about astronauts going to the International Space Station, particularly from Russia, since their quarantine protocols aren't quite as rigorous as NASA's. But anyone and anything going to the ISS is supposed to be quarantined for several weeks before getting on a rocket.

Edited by Fighteer on Jul 29th 2021 at 12:04:59 PM

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#130813: Jul 29th 2021 at 11:36:47 PM

And this is the same ScarJo that's repeatedly defended Joss Whedon's sexist behavior for years.

When did she defend Whedon? I do recall her defending Woody Allen, or at least saying she had no issue working with him.

If I am wrong, please correct me.

Edited by windleopard on Jul 29th 2021 at 11:37:28 AM

Mario1995 The Dishonorable from Atlanta Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
The Dishonorable
#130814: Jul 29th 2021 at 11:50:35 PM

[up]I believe it was some interview with Entertainment Weekly not too long ago.

"The devil's got all the good gear. What's God got? The Inspiral Carpets and nuns. Fuck that." - Liam Gallagher
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#130815: Jul 30th 2021 at 12:42:19 AM

It was basically a comment that went "well, I didn't have a problem working with him". For all we know she was telling the truth; everything indicates Whedon did indeed go out of his way to be accommodating to her and her pregnancy during the filming of AOU, in contrast to the way he treated Charisma Carpenter. Tasteless and perhaps insensitive given the circumstances, albeit not something to burn her at the stake over either.

jakobitis Doctor of Doctorates from Somewhere, somewhen Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Doctor of Doctorates
#130816: Jul 30th 2021 at 1:34:46 AM

She may very well have not had problems with Whedon to be fair. She had considerably more clout and influence than Carpenter and is a big enough name that if she pushed back it could legitimately cause him problems. Bullies tend to pick on easy targets.

"These 'no-nonsense' solutions of yours just don't hold water in a complex world of jet-powered apes and time travel."
unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#130817: Jul 30th 2021 at 1:49:55 AM

[up]For what I see, Wheedon more than a bully is someone with really short temper and primda donna tendecies, is posible he personaly didnt mind black widow, sometimes is just like that.

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miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#130818: Jul 30th 2021 at 2:59:09 AM

Also Marvel might have been stricter so its possible he just couldn't do anything.

Executive Meddling after all.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#130819: Jul 30th 2021 at 3:07:49 AM

A lot of times, executive meddling isn't actually a bad thing.

Edited by M84 on Jul 30th 2021 at 6:08:08 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#130820: Jul 30th 2021 at 3:11:04 AM

Here's a good example during Mark Millar's tenure on The Authority comics.

"Executive Meddling: After Mark Millar took over, either DC or Wildstorm began demanding and forcing constant changes. This reached its peak with the "Brave New World" arc, where the arc was actually sidetracked for four months for the "Transfer of Power" arc (which pissed Millar off to no end, because by the time he was given the series back, 9/11 happened, creating a pretense for the executives to put the book on hiatus and force him and Art Adams to make even further changes.) To be fair to the executives, Millar was not easy to work with, constantly attempting to push the limits of what was permissible for a CCA-approved series (had the executives not intervened, "Brave New World would have featured references to the rape of Jenny Sparks' corpse, and a scene in which Swift's "husband" uses her mouth as an ashtray in a deliberately-sexualized manner, among other potentially offensive content) and often injecting his political views into the series."

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#130821: Jul 30th 2021 at 3:13:31 AM

Millar is an example of why it is essential.

You just can't let him do anything he wants or hell give you Nemesis or the Unfunnies.....

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#130822: Jul 30th 2021 at 3:17:18 AM

A good editor reins in the author's worst indulgences and bias after all.

Turns out limits aren't a bad thing.

Edited by slimcoder on Jul 30th 2021 at 3:18:24 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Pet Owner
#130823: Jul 30th 2021 at 5:19:17 AM

[up][up][up] Anything with the name of Nemesis is bad news.

Edited by Mizerous on Jul 30th 2021 at 8:19:57 AM

Just Makima.
dmcreif Vault Dweller from Vault 33 (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Robosexual
Vault Dweller
#130824: Jul 30th 2021 at 5:56:29 AM

So from Disney’s response, it sounds like Scarlett might actually be getting some form of compensation from the Disney+ revenue, and she is looking to renegotiate that deal, which every single other company had to do in Hollywood. However the articles also state that Disney and Marvel were unwilling to renegotiate for a share of the Disney+ revenue which tells me it could be non-financial compensation.

Okey Dokey!
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