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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#130776: Jul 29th 2021 at 12:15:41 PM

[up][up]Considering that trailers for Shang-Chi show the guy partying at a San Francisco nightclub and working as a doorman for a populated hotel...yeah, I somehow doubt this is a post-Snap period. Especially since San Francisco was implied to be a Ghost City in Endgame.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#130777: Jul 29th 2021 at 12:17:08 PM

I can't think of any reason why it wouldn't be set during the post-snap period.

The only time Marvel has ever gone backwards since Endgame was Black Widow - specifically a movie about a character who was dead in the present - and Loki, which given all the time travel shenanigans doesn't entirely count.

Unless they directly want to tie Shang-Chi's story into Endgame for some reason, we should expect it to be like every other movie they're making these days and be set in more or less the present.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jul 29th 2021 at 12:18:13 PM

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#130778: Jul 29th 2021 at 12:20:26 PM

[up]Well, they did go backwards as well for Captain Marvel, although I guess it's because of her origin story taking place in that time period.

Edited by MatthewWayne on Jul 29th 2021 at 12:20:35 PM

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#130779: Jul 29th 2021 at 12:20:58 PM

NVM

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jul 29th 2021 at 12:21:16 PM

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#130780: Jul 29th 2021 at 12:21:15 PM

...I can't read.

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Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#130781: Jul 29th 2021 at 12:21:25 PM

They said “since Endgame”, not “since Infinity War”.

And you caught it, so um…

I feel like there’s some wiggle room as far as timeline goes for Shang-Chi.

Edited by Weirdguy149 on Jul 29th 2021 at 3:22:28 PM

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#130782: Jul 29th 2021 at 12:21:44 PM

Like I said. Can't read.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#130783: Jul 29th 2021 at 12:23:18 PM

Speaking of Marvel, I can’t help but feel bad for Kamala.

Whatever’s gonna happen in Marvels is prolly gonna be way above the poor girls paygrade.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#130784: Jul 29th 2021 at 12:25:37 PM

Paygrade is relative.

I still think it's possible that the main threat of that movie will be terrestrial anyway. My darkhorse hope is that it's MODOK. And there's still the possibility of it being Mystique.

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#130785: Jul 29th 2021 at 12:26:58 PM

My only worry for Kamala Khan is that they lean too much into the fangirl aspect, to the point where it gets irritating. I get that's sort of her origin story, but if it goes to the point where she causes more problems than she solves with her powers like the 2005 Fantastic Four movie, it might be a bit of a turn off for me.

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DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
The Ultimate Lifeform
#130786: Jul 29th 2021 at 12:57:41 PM

Yeah, a balance is definitely needed for her superhero fangirlishness. Let it be present, obviously, but it can't be all there is to her.

I really hope we get to see at least one of her fanfics though in an Imagine Spot [lol] I just think it'd be hilarious.

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#130787: Jul 29th 2021 at 1:01:24 PM

[up]I'm down for that idea! Kinda like that scene in Euphoria where Rue describes that one girl's One Direction fanfic, complete with an animated sequence. Obviously it'll be a bit more PG-13, but it's entirely possible.

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Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#130788: Jul 29th 2021 at 1:02:10 PM

One party doing something that violates their explicit contract is the purest form of what lawsuits are for, so I'm ambivalent about the lawsuit news. It doesn't even necessarily have to be a hard feelings thing: Disney promised they would premiere her performance in certain contexts and didn't deliver. Even if you could argue they were kind of forced into it by the situation, a lawsuit it kind of a formality, and I doubt they weren't expecting something like from somebody.

It's a bit similar to the situation between Robin Williams and Disney in the 90's, though iirc Williams was genuinely pissed about that.

In fairness the difference there was that Williams didn't want Disney to exploit his celebrity in marketing and merchandising and got it in his contract that they wouldn't and Disney proceeded to turn around and do exactly that. It was a matter of principles coming from a principled man.

This whole thing revolves around ScarJo getting screwed out of what amounts to royalties due to her contract not accounting for a streaming simul-release.

Mario1995 The Dishonorable from Atlanta Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
The Dishonorable
#130789: Jul 29th 2021 at 1:02:41 PM

One reason I think this BW issue will settle quickly and quietly is because this issue is more about compensation, so Disney can just pay her the money owed. And they sure as hell can afford to because they're a multi-billion dollar company and they don't want to lose Feige over things like this

Plus, she's producing a Tower of Terror movie for them and they can just up her up-front salary on that.

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#130790: Jul 29th 2021 at 1:04:28 PM

[up][up] Didn't he ask for that specifically because he didn't want the film overshadowing one of his other projects that he was doing?

Cause if that's the case, man did Disney screw that one up...

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Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#130791: Jul 29th 2021 at 1:15:02 PM

[up] IIRC the movie he was doing was FernGully.

The whole thing is just sorta proof positive that the only thing corporate cares about is money. They effectively stumbled on having a then-mega-star like Robin in a movie, of course they're gonna market the shit outta him regarldess of what he himself wants. Soooo yeah. >_>

(Quickly rereading and it looks like it was signed off by Jeff Katzenberg, Petty Asshole, which just makes it worse.)

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#130792: Jul 29th 2021 at 2:08:00 PM

> [up] IIRC the movie he was doing was Fern Gully.

I recall reading a factoid it was Toys

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Mario1995 The Dishonorable from Atlanta Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
The Dishonorable
#130793: Jul 29th 2021 at 2:16:25 PM

Disney responds to ScarJo lawsuit, per NYT's Brooks Barnes:

Disney gives a "no merit whatsoever" response to Johansson's pay lawsuit and calls it "sad and distressing in its callous disregard for the horrific and prolonged global effects of the COVID-19 pandemic."
Disney continued: "Disney has fully complied with Ms. Johansson’s contract and furthermore, the release of Black Widow on Disney+ with Premier Access has significantly enhanced her ability to earn additional compensation on top of the $20M she has received to date.”

Edited by Mario1995 on Jul 29th 2021 at 5:28:09 AM

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#130794: Jul 29th 2021 at 2:17:16 PM

> Yep, the MCU is toast

with butter?

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chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#130795: Jul 29th 2021 at 3:16:10 PM

So, I guess the question here is how is this going to affect the upcoming MCU films? Are they going to be dual releases, whether or not the renegotiate everyone's contracts? Or are they going to be forced to make them theatrical only to avoid another lawsuit?

Because if they are made theatrical only, fuck that noise. I may have gotten my second dose, but I ain't risking getting a delta variant to see a Marvel movie on the big screen again. Given the current infections rates, I'm really expecting the pandemic to last at least a decent while into 2022.

The best course of action would be to renegotiate those contracts to give the cast a cut of the streaming releases given the real-life circumstances, but I doubt that's the route Disney will take.

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#130796: Jul 29th 2021 at 3:37:38 PM

Disney does seem to be in a Catch-22 at the moment.

Although given how much money Disney has, I would argue it really shouldn't be that hard to renegotiate terms to give the actors/executive producers more money based on streaming services. But...money.

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ShadowWingLG Since: Dec, 2013
#130797: Jul 29th 2021 at 4:16:53 PM

The statement from Disney seems to imply that Scar Jo did get some cut from D+ there may be some debate on how much she got and she may be questioning that amount.

That could lead to a rather quick settlement agreement since one of the items her team will demand to see would be the raw D+ numbers for Black Widow and then...its just math on how much the D+ release should have earned for her vs what they paid her.

My guess is that Disney isn't going to be willing to release those numbers let alone have them be entered as evidence and maybe become public, but a Judge will be prone to state "Yeah release the numbers to show how you got to that amount you paid her"

DoubleOG (Apprentice)
#130798: Jul 29th 2021 at 4:26:31 PM

Disney didn't seem so concerned about the pandemic when they opened up their theme parks...

Mario1995 The Dishonorable from Atlanta Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
The Dishonorable
#130799: Jul 29th 2021 at 4:27:36 PM

Honestly I don't really have a side here. ScarJo has every right to hold Disney into account for breaching her contract, but this is an actress that's worth $165 million, far more than any actress of color in Hollywood (despite winning zero Oscars). And this is the same ScarJo that's repeatedly defended Joss Whedon's sexist behavior for years.

There's plenty of things to get legitimately pissed at Disney for (like writers or creators getting regularly stiffed of royalties). This ain't it.

Edited by Mario1995 on Jul 29th 2021 at 7:28:53 AM

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Akirakan Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#130800: Jul 29th 2021 at 4:38:41 PM

Yeah, I would have imagined they would have renegotiate her contract before release. Like, up until the release of the film she was still doing promotion for it and knew that it was getting a stream releae. I imagined that either Disney or her manager would have done whatever negotiation would be needed.

It does seem Disney might be applying some Hollywood accounting logic and that's were her main claim comes from. In that sense, I do fully support her, since it does leave a precedent for whenever any major studio decides to screw on some lesser known actors in a similar way.


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