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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#130752: Jul 29th 2021 at 11:11:18 AM

> I highly doubt Marvel would try something as wacky as trying to have Nicolas Cage reprise, lol.

He is a high profile actor,so they might have been tempted once due to Star Power but yeah,there's better choices out there for sure

[up] this is going to get messy

Edited by Ultimatum on Jul 29th 2021 at 6:11:44 PM

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Brandon Deadly Vu! from Between Thanksgiving and Christmas (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
Deadly Vu!
#130753: Jul 29th 2021 at 11:11:47 AM

Hm, so that's why Kevin Feige didn't want this on Disney Plus.

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#130754: Jul 29th 2021 at 11:12:58 AM

Regarding the Black Panther set leaks: thinking on it more it would still be as fitting if it's before Endgame as it would be afterwards, and I'm kinda surprised I haven't seen it suggested more elsewhere. The spoiler subreddit in particular is super convinced the set leaks confirm it being set post-Endgame.

I mean, maybe? Now I'm starting to wonder if BP2 will use Ambiguous Time Period as a workaround in case they change their minds about recasting T'Challa. (That said, I say this hesitantly because despite Twitter going up and down about "#RecastTChalla", methinks we're just going to have to suck it up and accept the truth that T'Challa is gone.)

Scarlett Johansson is set to sue Disney over putting Black Widow on Disney Premiere Access, claiming it violated her contract.

Oh gods, help us.

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#130756: Jul 29th 2021 at 11:32:39 AM

[up][up] The whole point of potentially placing BP 2 within the Time Skip is to be able to have a meta funeral service without committing to anything. You either do that or set it after Endgame, and if it's set after Endgame then them's the brakes. You know my stance on it, it's dicey either way.

DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
The Ultimate Lifeform
#130757: Jul 29th 2021 at 11:34:20 AM

I really hope they lean into the New Jersey setting in Ms. Marvel like they've done with San Francisco in Ant-Man.

IIRC, the initial run of Kamala's solo series also leaned very hard into the New Jersey setting, which was an aspect of that comic that I really liked, so I definitely hope that carries over into her Disney+ show.

Edited by DeathsApprentice on Jul 29th 2021 at 2:34:48 PM

When we're done, there won't be anything left.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#130758: Jul 29th 2021 at 11:34:42 AM

My biggest fear is that whoever replaces T’Challa will be far more jokey and quippy. I like that T’Challa is a more serious guy, not really prone to joking. Helps give him a more regal attitude.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#130759: Jul 29th 2021 at 11:35:34 AM

I wouldn’t recommend they do this but one of the final and bonkers story arcs in Priest’s legendary but apparently underselling run was T’Challa finding a future T’Challa who acted like excessively silver age T’Challa and there were just two T’Challa’s hanging around kinging

I don’t remember where I’m going with this

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Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Pet Owner
#130760: Jul 29th 2021 at 11:37:31 AM

Why didn't Disney contact Scarlet to avoid that?

Just Makima.
MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#130761: Jul 29th 2021 at 11:37:32 AM

Oh boy. Scarlett vs. the Mouse. This Is Gonna Suck.

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Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#130762: Jul 29th 2021 at 11:40:34 AM

[up][up][up] In my experience online response has been a lot more receptive of using multiverse variants to explain a recasting vs. just straight-up recasting.

I'm not a fan of it but if that's the limbo pole they feel they need to go under then fuck it.

Also @ Scarlett suing: I'm honestly surprised it was never renegotiated especially after the whole mess with HBO Max and Wonder Woman 1984. But then this is probably the "cheaper" route or whatever, I doubt this is actually anything super-serious by ScarJo make that money.

Mario1995 The Dishonorable from Atlanta Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
The Dishonorable
#130764: Jul 29th 2021 at 11:56:51 AM

I can see this getting quickly settled but at the same time chances of Shang-Chi and Eternals getting the PA treatment have greatly diminished.

Plus Kev is likely annoyed.

Edited by Mario1995 on Jul 29th 2021 at 2:56:58 PM

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Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#130765: Jul 29th 2021 at 11:59:46 AM

He's the only Ultimate character other than Miles to have actually made the transition to 616.

Not quite. There's also Bombshell and James Hudson.

Brandon Deadly Vu! from Between Thanksgiving and Christmas (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
Deadly Vu!
#130766: Jul 29th 2021 at 12:00:00 PM

Never mind. As soon as I posted, I realized what "PA" meant.

Edited by Brandon on Jul 29th 2021 at 12:00:48 PM

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Funny but not helpful
#130767: Jul 29th 2021 at 12:00:44 PM

Prime Access

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#130768: Jul 29th 2021 at 12:00:45 PM

Kevin Feige was already annoyed at the fact Disney decided to do the double release. Not sure if he'd be on Disney or Scarlett's side though.

Edited by MatthewWayne on Jul 29th 2021 at 12:01:04 PM

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Brandon Deadly Vu! from Between Thanksgiving and Christmas (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
Deadly Vu!
#130769: Jul 29th 2021 at 12:03:05 PM

Some people on Facebook have said that this likely blows any chance of Scarlett re-appearing in the MCU again.

Sure, Natasha was killed off in Endgame, but I heard fans talking about how they could have done a Black Widow 2, set during the 5 year skip.

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Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#130770: Jul 29th 2021 at 12:08:14 PM

I don't think that was ever in the plans.

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Surrounded by weirdoes
#130771: Jul 29th 2021 at 12:08:47 PM

Will Marvel ever touch the post-Snap 5 year period, by the way? I don't think anything has been done with that, so far.

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#130772: Jul 29th 2021 at 12:09:03 PM

Keep in mind that Scarlett's beef is with Disney, not Marvel Studios. Remember that Disney was responsible for the firing of James Gunn, who was eventually rehired due to pressure from several people both in Marvel and from fans. So I don't think it's impossible for Scarlett to return. I wouldn't count on it, especially with this happening so suddenly, but I wouldn't completely dismiss it either.

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#130773: Jul 29th 2021 at 12:10:29 PM

[up][up]The post-snap period could be a way to build up an origin story or two, but I doubt that there's going to be too much focus on that. It just feels like it would be a bit too distracting from the "present".

Edited by MatthewWayne on Jul 29th 2021 at 12:10:38 PM

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#130774: Jul 29th 2021 at 12:11:21 PM

The whole point of potentially placing BP2 within the Time Skip is to be able to have a meta funeral service without committing to anything.

No, I get that. If anything, it's what I'm praying it turns out to be (as morbid as it sounds), but the whole "Kevin said no recast" thing makes it far more unlikely.

I mean, both choices were already prickly calls from the start, but how often do big studios wind up changing their minds with these kinds of decisions?

[up][up][up] I recall reading rumors that said Shang-Chi was set during the post-Snap time skip, but we have yet to hear an official stance on the matter.

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Jul 29th 2021 at 3:12:47 PM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#130775: Jul 29th 2021 at 12:15:22 PM

One party doing something that violates their explicit contract is the purest form of what lawsuits are for, so I'm ambivalent about the lawsuit news. It doesn't even necessarily have to be a hard feelings thing: Disney promised they would premiere her performance in certain contexts and didn't deliver. Even if you could argue they were kind of forced into it by the situation, a lawsuit it kind of a formality, and I doubt they weren't expecting something like from somebody.

It's a bit similar to the situation between Robin Williams and Disney in the 90's, though iirc Williams was genuinely pissed about that.


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