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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#130726: Jul 29th 2021 at 7:52:31 AM

The end of Loki means they can technically replace T'Challa with a variant from another parallel reality played by a different actor.

DoubleOG (Apprentice)
#130727: Jul 29th 2021 at 7:55:47 AM

Don't think they'll go that route.

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#130728: Jul 29th 2021 at 8:03:31 AM

[up]Most likely for the same reasons they just won’t out and out recast T’Challa. The identity is too intertwined with the actor, and it is their belief that a new T’Challa, with or without an In-Universe explanation, is offensive to the memory of Boseman. I’m not going to say if that’s right or wrong (there’s a lot of moving gears to put it mildly) but that seems to be their approach.

Edited by Beatman1 on Jul 29th 2021 at 11:04:07 AM

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#130729: Jul 29th 2021 at 8:15:12 AM

> The end of Loki means they can technically replace T'Challa with a variant from another parallel reality played by a different actor.

that would upset a lot of people who've not seen Loki and probably lead to accusions of being an gigantic Ass Pull

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Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#130730: Jul 29th 2021 at 8:18:32 AM

I feel like a funeral for T’Challa is a good start for the sequel.

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#130731: Jul 29th 2021 at 8:20:26 AM

They would have to establish that yes..

And I hope to god they don't have the bright idea to make Killmonger the next black panther

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#130732: Jul 29th 2021 at 8:20:46 AM

Yeah, I never said it was a good idea and I'm still against the idea of recasting. Just that, if they decide to recast, they have a plausible in-universe mechanism for how.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#130733: Jul 29th 2021 at 8:22:05 AM

I think the idea of variants would be completely lost on most viewers,unless you had an info dump right at the start

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#130734: Jul 29th 2021 at 8:24:17 AM

I hope we don't start borrowing replacement characters from other timelines. That is hugely problematic for any story because it undermines the stakes completely. "Don't get attached to this character; we might kill them off and bring in a clone."

Since Boseman died, I've been kind of hoping we'd see Shuri take up the suit and claws.

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Goku Black
#130735: Jul 29th 2021 at 8:43:29 AM

Isn't this film set during the time between the snap from what I've heard.

I thought that's why their a funeral.

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#130736: Jul 29th 2021 at 8:45:09 AM

[up] Nah, that's what I've been hoping for since a lot can happen in five years' time, plus Thanos getting rid of the Stones made it seem like the deaths were going to stick at least from what the characters figured, but Marvel has been extremely tight-lipped about when BP2 takes place.

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Jul 29th 2021 at 11:47:09 AM

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Funny but not helpful
#130737: Jul 29th 2021 at 8:46:23 AM

During the five year snap would be a decent period. Wakanda would be in chaos, half of their people including their king gone. Anyone with a bone to pick or grabby hands could hardly find a better time

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#130738: Jul 29th 2021 at 8:48:14 AM

I mean,they could cheat make it a prequel about the previous Black Panther..

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#130739: Jul 29th 2021 at 8:48:31 AM

[up][up] My thoughts too. T'Challa gone and Wakanda maybe has a centuries-old rivalry with Atlantis? ENTER NAMOR.

Again, it's the when that we have zero clue about.

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Jul 29th 2021 at 11:48:59 AM

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Funny but not helpful
#130740: Jul 29th 2021 at 8:48:55 AM

Black Panther: Wakanda Forever: The First Panther

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#130742: Jul 29th 2021 at 8:50:33 AM

> T'Challa gone and Wakanda maybe has a centuries-old rivalry with Atlantis? ENTER NAMOR.

"sup bitches I just FLOODED your capital with water and fish"

"go home Namor you're terrible"

"nah I'm crashing this place"

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#130743: Jul 29th 2021 at 8:51:29 AM

Plus, Entertainment Weekly has our first morsel of images from Hawkeye! Including our first look at Kate Bishop!

EDIT: [up] Okay, I admit, that made me laugh. [lol]

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Jul 29th 2021 at 11:52:24 AM

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#130744: Jul 29th 2021 at 8:55:25 AM

[up][up][up] Yeah, the end of the year is looking pretty crowded on Disney+, so I'm not surprised if Ms. Marvel ends up having to wait until after the new year.

And if it gives them a bit more time to get the VFX's right, then it will be worth it. I can't imagine Kamala's powers are going to be easy to get right.

Edited by Falrinn on Jul 29th 2021 at 8:55:38 AM

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#130745: Jul 29th 2021 at 9:00:55 AM

I really hope they lean into the New Jersey setting in Ms. Marvel like they've done with San Francisco in Ant-Man. Since I used to live there, there's a lot of really cool things to do/see there, and the people there are super nice. WandaVision already leaned into the "supernatural New Jersey" thing, which I really liked, so I have faith.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#130746: Jul 29th 2021 at 9:01:32 AM

Honestly, no matter what choice they made, they were probably going to meet a lot of resistance.

Boseman's death caught them flat footed and I'd argue there's no right answer.

Maybe if they'd known before hand and had a chance to plan things out with his input, but....

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#130747: Jul 29th 2021 at 9:01:44 AM

RE: Ghost Rider and Secret Warriors shows possibly coming to Disney+:

Well, if there was anything that would determine where AOS is canon-wise, it's going to be in those shows. But then, I say this overconfidently since the Darkhold already showed up in WandaVision looking absolutely nothing like it did in AOS, so what would I know? tongue

And...yeah, I'd be lying if I said Norman Reedus wasn't my first pick for Johnny Blaze. (Can't really say anything about Daniel Ketch since I'm not as familiar with him. Blame the Nic Cage movie.)

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Jul 29th 2021 at 12:02:42 PM

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#130748: Jul 29th 2021 at 9:16:08 AM

Hm, Kate will be 22.

I'm glad they aren't Dawson Casting her. Steinfield is the same age as Kathryn Newton, so... Young Adult Avengers?

GeneralGigan Godzilla from A New Empire Since: Sep, 2020 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Godzilla
#130749: Jul 29th 2021 at 9:24:11 AM

[up] Odd, but considering that the regular Avengers ranges from their thirties to their ninties, she’d still be young, albeit relatively. Though, this kinda throws a wrench at my theory that Kate is a Composite Character with Lila Barton.

Edited by GeneralGigan on Jul 29th 2021 at 1:05:36 PM

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Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#130750: Jul 29th 2021 at 10:55:15 AM

Regarding the Black Panther set leaks: thinking on it more it would still be as fitting if it's before Endgame as it would be afterwards, and I'm kinda surprised I haven't seen it suggested more elsewhere. The spoiler subreddit in particular is super convinced the set leaks confirm it being set post-Endgame.

Regarding Ghost Rider: honestly think Norman Reedus would be a solid pick for Johnny Blaze. I highly doubt Marvel would try something as wacky as trying to have Nicolas Cage reprise, lol. I've also generally really loved Gabriel Luna as Robbie Reyes, but I've only just learned the guy's pushing 40 and I probably wouldn't mind recasting younger especially given how good the MCU's been at dodging Dawson Casting. As for Danny Ketch...do we honestly still need to do Ketch? Marvel's already let Blaze swallow a lot of Ketch's thunder because of how much people associate the Rider as Blaze, could honestly see the Composite Character route being pushed through.

Regarding [up] [up]: Several of the actors pulled in for potential Young Avengers recruits are noticeably younger - the actors for Billy and Tommy are literally prepubescent. Kinda unsure what the idea's gonna be, if they are pulling ages more closer or gonna let the group cover this range.

Edited by Watchtower on Jul 29th 2021 at 1:55:43 PM


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