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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#130626: Jul 27th 2021 at 10:17:55 AM

[up]Yeah, but aren't there rumors that Kingpin and Daredevil might return to the MCU at large relatively soon? Apparently Charlie Cox has been seen shooting scenes for No Way Home, and there's speculation that Kingpin might appear in Hawkeye.

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dmcreif Vault Dweller from Vault 33 (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Robosexual
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#130627: Jul 27th 2021 at 11:42:12 AM

Those rumors are largely fan speculation.

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#130628: Jul 27th 2021 at 11:45:19 AM

Even assuming they are true, it can easily be handwaved by how sometimes you look like your multiverse counterpart, sometimes you don't. The Arrowverse did that when it consolidated all the DC shows.

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#130629: Jul 27th 2021 at 11:47:55 AM

If you have a multiverse you might as well explicitly canonize AOS as a different timeline

Doesn’t mean they’ll ever do anything with it again

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Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#130630: Jul 27th 2021 at 11:56:30 AM

D'onofrio liked a tweet saying he'd come back as Kingpin. That's a bit more than a rumor.

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#130631: Jul 27th 2021 at 12:00:21 PM

Should note if it wasn't true. He would have said so like he did when he was rumoured to be playing Batman.

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#130632: Jul 27th 2021 at 1:09:30 PM

God, I can't wait to inject more Vincent D'Onofrio Kingpin directly into my veins. Easily one of the best portrayals of a Marvel villain ever put to live-action, inside or outside the MCU. All I ask is that he gets his trick cane this time around.

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#130633: Jul 27th 2021 at 1:15:13 PM

On the one hand I really wanna see more of him as Kingpin because he was amazing.

On the other hand it'll probably be the final nail in the coffin for the campaign to revive the Daredevil show, since it'd presumably be a wholly new Kingpin just played by the old actor.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#130634: Jul 27th 2021 at 1:16:30 PM

I'm expecting them to do a Broad Strokes sort of situation.

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#130635: Jul 27th 2021 at 1:16:55 PM

The Daredevil show would never return as far as I understand it, so that doesn't mean much. The best you can hope for is Charlie Cox and Vincent D'onofrio playing new versions of the characters.

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#130636: Jul 27th 2021 at 1:21:32 PM

Or Matt making a cameo appearance here and there.

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#130637: Jul 27th 2021 at 1:21:45 PM

Netflix has moved on and so has Marvel. At this point, Broad Strokes and new places for the character is the best that can be hoped for as said [up][up].

Edited by Beatman1 on Jul 27th 2021 at 4:21:55 AM

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#130638: Jul 27th 2021 at 1:24:45 PM

Oh, I know. Didn't stop there from being a big campaign to try and get 'em to bring the show back, though. tongue

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#130639: Jul 27th 2021 at 1:26:44 PM

Maybe it's even for the best if this is a new version.

I mean, Daredevil-Kingpin's Arc was pretty much defeated. He has no reason to come back into power, even willingly, as he wants to protect his wife from being prosecuted.

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#130640: Jul 27th 2021 at 1:28:11 PM

I'm actually okay with doing a soft-reboot on D'Onofrio's Kingpin because I'd love to see them adapt some of the stories involving his son, and his meeting his wife within the show made those stories impossible.

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#130641: Jul 27th 2021 at 1:57:49 PM

I just remembered how the 100th episode of AOS did this bait-and-switch where it suggests the whole show was just Coulson's Dying Dream, and I'm wondering if they would pull a stunt to retcon out the last two seasons of the show? Coulson ends up dying and imagining the adventures his team went on after he's gone. Explains why the Snap isn't really brought up in the show.

Although multiverse is probably the more likely explanation tongue

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#130642: Jul 27th 2021 at 2:03:33 PM

It's not just ignoring the snap (as much as I would like that).

There's also the issue of their use of Inhumans.

After the big push for them bombed, Marvel likely wants to scrub everything connected to them, and AOS made big use of them.

Like, there's a continuous debate in this thread about how their going to retcon out Kamala's Inhuman origin.

And to be fair, despite being one of them, she's never been tightly tied to them, not unlike some mutants in the early days.

But yeah. It's both the debacle with ignoring the Snap and their use of Inhumans that probably killed its canonicity.

As for whether they'll say it's multiverse shenanigans....that would make things easier. It's just a matter of if they want to do that.

Creators can get real persona about things that don't fit their vision.

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#130643: Jul 27th 2021 at 2:04:50 PM

If they bring back D'Onofrio as Kingpin and he is appearing in Hawkeye, I have an idea as to how they'll introduce a new version of him.

From what I understand, Hawkeye is planned to explore the consequences of Clint's five year rampage against the criminal underworld in Endgame. Depending one how many bodies he's racked up and where, it could've been enough to damage Wilson Fisk's criminal empire, and that could make him set his sights on Clint for revenge.

Edited by MatthewWayne on Jul 27th 2021 at 2:06:17 AM

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#130644: Jul 27th 2021 at 2:19:02 PM

Hawkeye faces the Punisher, Kingpin, Bullseye and Daredevil after his criminal rampage.

Fuck you Clint this is Daredevil season 4 now.

Edited by Gaon on Jul 27th 2021 at 2:19:21 AM

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#130645: Jul 27th 2021 at 2:26:40 PM

A confrontation with Bernthal's Punisher would certainly be interesting. I wager Frank would tell Clint to stop being like him, as nobody should be like him.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#130646: Jul 27th 2021 at 2:27:26 PM

Unless Frank tells Clint he’s proud of him for not holding back.

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#130647: Jul 27th 2021 at 2:28:42 PM

Which fills Flint with shame and he vows to atone for his misdeeds

seriously though,getting praise from the punisher is just like..no thanks

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#130648: Jul 27th 2021 at 2:35:39 PM

Punisher in this at all is no thanks

These d plus shows only have so many episodes and I’d rather the time be given to Kate and Clint if he’s going to be cool about it

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#130649: Jul 27th 2021 at 2:37:14 PM

[up][up]Well, the Punisher himself doesn't think his actions are deserving of praise. He just does what he feels needs to be done, but it's not like he enjoys it or anything. Hell, he actually looks up to people like Captain America and fully considers them better people than him. He's not a good person, he knows that, and he never claims to be one.

Edited by lbssb on Jul 27th 2021 at 2:38:16 AM

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#130650: Jul 27th 2021 at 2:40:56 PM

My WMG for how the Hawkeye series will start is that Laura Barton will find out about the extent of Clint's crimes during the five-year interim, and file for separation/divorce, while also being granted joint custody of the kids on the basis that her husband is insane based on the brutality of his crimes or something. This would lead to Clint reflecting on the person he became without his family, and force himself out of retirement to train Kate Bishop.

Alternatively, maybe Yelena Belova attempts to kill him while he's with his family, which is what causes the separation/divorce.

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