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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#130601: Jul 26th 2021 at 6:38:44 PM

Honestly wouldn’t be surprised if they avoided Scott just to not acknowledge that one meme about how Ant man could defeat Thanos.

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#130602: Jul 26th 2021 at 6:47:51 PM

[up]I'm holding hope it'll become an Ascended Meme in What If...?

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FGHIK Since: Aug, 2013
#130603: Jul 26th 2021 at 6:59:25 PM

Jokes aside, give Ant-Man Stormbreaker, shrink him down enough to get inside Thanos' brain, and it's game over.

Edited by FGHIK on Jul 26th 2021 at 8:59:40 AM

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#130604: Jul 26th 2021 at 7:04:08 PM

But Thor said anyone else trying to use Stormbreaker would have their bodies crumble and their minds collapse.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Jul 26th 2021 at 7:04:24 AM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#130605: Jul 26th 2021 at 7:09:49 PM

Captain America grabbed Stormbreaker in endgame

Lucky that he didn’t try to use it

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fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
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#130606: Jul 26th 2021 at 7:15:25 PM

[up][up]Thus, making sure nobody would ever try to lift it and humiliate him like the hammer.

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#130607: Jul 26th 2021 at 8:23:25 PM

If the afterlife exists in the MCU, I would really like to have seen Odin, Frigga and Heimdall's reactions to Thanos's actions within the universe at large, and subsequently, Steve Rogers picking up the hammer.

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Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#130608: Jul 26th 2021 at 8:41:34 PM

[up]We know there's a Wakandan afterlife. Not sure if everyone else gets one.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#130609: Jul 26th 2021 at 8:54:11 PM

Granted, the Wakandan afterlife could also just be a very vivid hallucination, too.

Killmonger's version leans toward that.

Edited by Anomalocaris20 on Jul 26th 2021 at 11:55:38 AM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#130610: Jul 26th 2021 at 8:55:44 PM

Well you do take some killer drugs to get there.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#130611: Jul 26th 2021 at 8:58:57 PM

Yep.

Plus, nobody learns new information there. It's all just stuff they either already knew or have been repressing.

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#130612: Jul 26th 2021 at 9:00:29 PM

So for all we know, the Wakandan afterlife could be little more than an LSD-fueled self therapy session?

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#130613: Jul 26th 2021 at 9:06:17 PM

God bless that sweet, sweet Wakandan pot.

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#130614: Jul 26th 2021 at 10:27:23 PM

This is the universe where Ghost Rider exists (now that there is a way for Agents of Shield to be canon with the MCU despite contradictions thanks to the events of Loki), of course there'll be an afterlife in MCU.

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#130616: Jul 26th 2021 at 10:42:51 PM

[up] Well, that depends if you like H-E-Double Hockey Sticks.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#130617: Jul 26th 2021 at 10:47:14 PM

Loki providing a "way" for Agents of Shield to hypothetically be canon doesn't make it canon, though.

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fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
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#130618: Jul 26th 2021 at 11:00:32 PM

Wasn't it's canonicity pretty disavowed?

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Diana1969 Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#130619: Jul 26th 2021 at 11:02:51 PM

So, I was looking on Robert Downey Jr's tropes page, and it mentioned that he apparently nixed the idea of Iron Man 2 doing an arc of Tony dealing with alcoholism (I'm assuming as a more straight adaptation of the Demon in a Bottle storyline). Apparently, he didn't want to revisit the same mindset of addiction he'd already struggled with for a whole chunk of his career. Does anyone have a source on this?

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#130620: Jul 26th 2021 at 11:45:29 PM

But like, him being a criminal doesn't reflect badly on him in anyway (to us as the audience I mean)

It's like they get to use all the drama that comes from him being a convict without actually giving him a serious flaw.

Scott does have a flaw when it comes to making impulsive and poorly thought out decisions. Remember the reason he got caught was because he drove his boss's car into a pool out of spite.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#130621: Jul 27th 2021 at 12:38:33 AM

I just now thought, hopefully Hawkeye has an excellent action-choreographer.

I feel for that show, Clint especially the fight scenes are gonna be very important to help sell the Hawkeye's skills as way cool, especially the archery.

So hopefully it has some cool dynamic martial arts shit.

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Dorzma Forever! Artwork by Kris Dobbins.
#130622: Jul 27th 2021 at 12:44:03 AM

Loki providing a "way" for Agents of Shield to hypothetically be canon doesn't make it canon, though.

The only reason we even debated about whether or not Agents of Shield is canon is because the series ends up becoming incompatible with the main timeline. The moment you introduce the multiverse, such problems can be chalked up as a divergence in the timeline.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#130623: Jul 27th 2021 at 12:45:48 AM

Which is a Watsonian answer, but it can't solve a Doylist problem.

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Vault Dweller
#130624: Jul 27th 2021 at 7:39:06 AM

[up][up] And those things are also true for the Netflix shows.

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Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#130625: Jul 27th 2021 at 8:28:19 AM

[up][up] What is the Doylist problem? Marvel Television has been subsumed into Marvel Studios, the old shows are cancelled, the new shows are explicitly MCU canon, and the multiverse angle (and the way it's been established) provides an out from wholly pulling said old shows into the prime canon.

Canonicity is chiefly a Watsonian issue of making sure everything logically flows together. The Doylist issue is just making sure the corporate ship is actually sailing the right course.


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