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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#130576: Jul 26th 2021 at 4:46:38 PM

[up][up][up] We’ll yeah he’s a Robin Hood type guy.

His original arrest was for stealing from a corpo for screwing over the little guy.

Edited by slimcoder on Jul 26th 2021 at 4:47:10 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
shrikecatcher Since: Feb, 2011
#130577: Jul 26th 2021 at 4:46:42 PM

Rarely post here, but the ongoing conversation made me realize that Scott seems to be the Peter Parker to Hank Pym’s Tony Stark, what with inheriting his tech and apparently his villains, too. Heck, he even goes out of his way to try and help in Endgame the same way Peter did in Infinity War. Anyway, carry on.

chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#130578: Jul 26th 2021 at 4:47:04 PM

I remember when Linkara uploaded one his old Secret Origin videos on Youtube, he talked about the Ant-Man movie a little bit in the video description, and mused how the film might've been better if Janet was the one mentoring Scott while Hank was the one who was trapped in the Quantum Realm.

It might've lost some of Legacy Character angle they were going for, but it would've given the film more female representation at least.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#130579: Jul 26th 2021 at 4:51:43 PM

I do think that part of it is kind of the charm of Scott's character in his MCU incarnation. He's just a nice guy who wants to help people and be a good dad, so he doesn't even have proper enemies himself as much as he tries to help other people with their own enemies. He's like a more everyman counterpart of Superman at times, almost. So it's easy for the villains to be "somebody's else demons" rather than his own.

Granted, it also doesn't help Scott Lang (and Ant-Man in general) has a pretty shit rogues gallery and no one that particularly stands out as a personal foe. I thought Earth's Mightiest Heroes had a clever bit with Scott briefly having a personal arch-foe in William Cross/Crossfire (cousin to Darren Cross) who was like his dark liason from his criminal past acting as a loan shark to force him into crime. Cross even had a pretty sweet design in that. I think the comics cribbed some of that eventually but overall no one really followed suit.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#130580: Jul 26th 2021 at 4:53:20 PM

Scott has the low bar honor of also being easily the best dad in the MCU

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GNinja The Element of Hyperbole. from The deepest, darkest corner of his mind. Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
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#130581: Jul 26th 2021 at 4:53:46 PM

[up][up][up][up][up] I think I've just come to dislike the Robin Hood archtype somewhat. It reminds me of an old Todd in the Shadows quote:

"I was sent to prison for the crime of being too wonderful."

Edited by GNinja on Jul 26th 2021 at 11:57:41 AM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#130582: Jul 26th 2021 at 5:01:52 PM

Well it’s more “Regardless of intentions you still got caught breaking the law so you gotta suffer the consequences”.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#130583: Jul 26th 2021 at 5:04:37 PM

“No good illegal deed goes unpunished”

Which, hey, happens in both of his movies!

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GNinja The Element of Hyperbole. from The deepest, darkest corner of his mind. Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
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#130584: Jul 26th 2021 at 5:06:57 PM

[up][up] But like, him being a criminal doesn't reflect badly on him in anyway (to us as the audience I mean)

It's like they get to use all the drama that comes from him being a convict without actually giving him a serious flaw.

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#130585: Jul 26th 2021 at 5:15:01 PM

Well, we already know Kang is going to be the villain of Quantumania, so at least Scott won't be stuck with another one of Hank's problems again.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Jul 26th 2021 at 5:15:16 AM

GNinja The Element of Hyperbole. from The deepest, darkest corner of his mind. Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
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#130586: Jul 26th 2021 at 5:17:38 PM

Wouldn't it be funny if KANG was Scott's arch-enemy.

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#130587: Jul 26th 2021 at 5:18:54 PM

everyone gets a cool arch nemesis and Scot gets..Law enforcement

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GNinja The Element of Hyperbole. from The deepest, darkest corner of his mind. Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
The Element of Hyperbole.
#130588: Jul 26th 2021 at 5:19:57 PM

He gets Ben and Jerry's

Edited by GNinja on Jul 26th 2021 at 12:20:17 PM

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#130589: Jul 26th 2021 at 5:20:38 PM

Tony Stark: So many nemeses they're spilling out the doors

Scott Lang: No nemeses, villains don't even know who he is

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Jul 26th 2021 at 5:21:17 AM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#130590: Jul 26th 2021 at 5:21:32 PM

Funny to have Kang show up and act jovial to all the heroes and then go >=[ “Lang.”

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OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#130591: Jul 26th 2021 at 5:22:34 PM

He’s too busy having a man crush on Captain America to have a nemesis.

Too much energy required to focus on an archenemy.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#130592: Jul 26th 2021 at 5:22:49 PM

[up]x7 Well it’s pretty realistic actually.

Scott’s done his time and has since gone straight but his record will always haunt him no matter what. Tough life of a convict especially the part where finding a job is incredibly hard.

Edited by slimcoder on Jul 26th 2021 at 5:23:12 AM

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GNinja The Element of Hyperbole. from The deepest, darkest corner of his mind. Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
The Element of Hyperbole.
#130593: Jul 26th 2021 at 5:23:12 PM

Now I wonder how an Iron Man film where Tony's confronted by Beck would work.

Would Beck be a threat to Tony, or is Tony too smart for Beck's gimmicks? Since he's not as naive as Peter.

Edited by GNinja on Jul 26th 2021 at 12:27:21 PM

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#130594: Jul 26th 2021 at 5:26:27 PM

I do admit, it would be funny if Kang did actually become Scott's Nemesis, and from that point on, Scott pulls everyone else into his business instead of the other way around.

And whenever they ask why they have to get involved in his shit, he should rightfully point out that they did it to him again and again, and now they owe him.

Like, it might be a bit sad to see such a nice guy pissed off, but it'd certainly show a different side of him.

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Diana1969 Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#130595: Jul 26th 2021 at 5:28:03 PM

He gets Ben and Jerry's

No no, it was Baskin-Robbins.

DoubleOG (Apprentice)
#130596: Jul 26th 2021 at 5:38:54 PM

[up]x2

You write that as though they would be reluctant to help him. Remember, he aided Cap's group in Civil War when he didn't have to. He also was instrumental in undoing the snap. I think they would be more than willing to help him.

Edited by DoubleOG on Jul 26th 2021 at 5:39:25 AM

fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Don't want to leave but cannot pretend
#130597: Jul 26th 2021 at 5:39:37 PM

[up][up][up]“Owe you? Like hell we do. Or would you have been willing to shove your thumb during any of those times? Now piss off or we’ll smack you with that chip on your shoulder.”

Edited by fredhot16 on Jul 26th 2021 at 5:40:21 AM

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#130598: Jul 26th 2021 at 6:19:03 PM

Speaking of Scott and his distinct lack of personal enemies, I find it interesting how he and Thanos (as well as Hawkeye) never encounter each other once during the final battle. In fairness, there's a bunch of stuff going on, but it's still noticeable.

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#130599: Jul 26th 2021 at 6:31:18 PM

Marvel didn't give them a scene together because they knew if they met, Ant-Man would kill Thanos in his own unique way. tongue

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Jul 26th 2021 at 6:31:30 AM

fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Don't want to leave but cannot pretend
#130600: Jul 26th 2021 at 6:37:03 PM

I did notice that we had our eyes off Scott for quite a while...

wild mass guessEvery moment you didn’t see Scott, he was shrunk so he could find the perfect time and angle to go up Thanos’s... Mad Titan. Unfortunately, Tony killed him before he could find the perfect moment. All that practice for nothing. wild mass guess

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