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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Mario1995 The Dishonorable from Atlanta Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#130551: Jul 26th 2021 at 11:24:52 AM

Black Widow is getting a digital release on August 10 while being released on DVD/Blu-ray on September 14.

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#130552: Jul 26th 2021 at 2:43:57 PM

Peyton Reed celebrates the first day of principal photography for Ant-Man & The Wasp: Quantumania by bringing back an old friend!

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#130553: Jul 26th 2021 at 2:45:33 PM

[up]

What the hell was that thing?

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Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#130554: Jul 26th 2021 at 2:47:17 PM

[up]The freaky ass toy Scott gave his daughter for her birthday because he didn't have anything else.

lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#130555: Jul 26th 2021 at 2:47:42 PM

It's the rabbit doll Scott gave Cassie in the first movie. Fun Fact: it was actually voiced by Tom Kenny!

EDIT: [nja]'d

[up]Actually, I think the way the scene was meant to be viewed is that it initially appears that Scott picked some random toy out of desperation... but then Cassie actually loves it, thus showing that Scott is a better father than he appears to be.

Edited by lbssb on Jul 26th 2021 at 2:52:18 AM

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chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
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#130556: Jul 26th 2021 at 3:33:45 PM

Huh, I always thought the joke was that Scott made the toy himself, what with him having an engineering background and all. I just realized there's nothing in the film to suggest he did that and I made that connection entirely up in my head.

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#130557: Jul 26th 2021 at 3:40:14 PM

I'll give Scott credit, even if that rabbit's appearance is...unconventional, it at least is unique from the other stuffed bunnies kids would get from their parents. Plus, having a scary stuffed bunny can be something that appeals to some kids, Cassie included.

I am curious as to why Cassie was recast though. I like Kathyrn Newton, don't get me wrong. But I was hoping that Emma Fuhrmann was going to get to do more as Cassie than what she got in Endgame.

Also, I'm very curious to see how Yellowjacket returns, and if he'll team up with Kang and/or encounter Cassie again. And since the Creative Committee ain't a thing no more, there's a chance they can really get him to spread his wings this time.

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GNinja The Element of Hyperbole. from The deepest, darkest corner of his mind. Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
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#130558: Jul 26th 2021 at 4:09:17 PM

I actually liked Cross well enough in Ant-Man.

He just wasn't a very interesting villain for Scott specifically. Any character drama there was between Cross and the Pyms.

Edited by GNinja on Jul 26th 2021 at 11:10:02 AM

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#130559: Jul 26th 2021 at 4:17:02 PM

I also assumed Scott made it, what with a lack of much money

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Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#130560: Jul 26th 2021 at 4:17:36 PM

Scott basically got forced into someone else's drama, really. By most measures, it should have been an Ant Woman movie or a Wasp II movie with Hope in the lead if not for Hank being... not sure what to call him. Overprotective?

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#130561: Jul 26th 2021 at 4:19:39 PM

I think with a little rewriting it could have been funny that Cross has no beef or interest in Scott, like ignoring him to address Hank

I dunno

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#130562: Jul 26th 2021 at 4:19:40 PM

Scott ultimately provides a strong moral center as both Hank and Hope are too selfish and jerkass to be trusted.

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FGHIK Since: Aug, 2013
#130563: Jul 26th 2021 at 4:25:17 PM

Cross did end up having beef with Scott because he, a random ex-con, managed to get Hank's approval. Something Cross couldn't get despite all his brilliance thanks to his lack of a moral center. Since he kind of had a "Well Done, Son" Guy thing going on, that Hank approved of Scott of all people and not Cross really pissed him off.

GNinja The Element of Hyperbole. from The deepest, darkest corner of his mind. Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
The Element of Hyperbole.
#130564: Jul 26th 2021 at 4:26:38 PM

I still remember, since I knew absolutely nothing about the Wasp, that I was convinced there was going to be a twist and HOPE would turn out to be the Yellow Jacket, and in cahoots with Cross.

My reasons for thinking this were:

1. I'm autistic and thus I can't detect romantic tension all that well. So I thought Hope genuinely didn't like Scott because of how much focus Pym was giving him.

2. It would explain why Yellow Jacket can apparently fight, even though we spent the entire movie demonstrating that being Ant-Man is hard and something Scott had to get used to. Hope already has experience using the technology. Cross doesn't. This one kinda just turns out to be a plot hole (or at least a contrivance)

Edited by GNinja on Jul 26th 2021 at 11:28:32 AM

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Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#130565: Jul 26th 2021 at 4:29:23 PM

Scott always seems to be dragged into his plots (besides Endgame of course).

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chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
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#130566: Jul 26th 2021 at 4:29:26 PM

I recall hearing that Hope's role was going to be a lot smaller in Edgar Wright's script and one of the first things Reed did when he was brought on to replace him was to give her a larger supporting role.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#130567: Jul 26th 2021 at 4:31:34 PM

Edgar Wright very famously can't write women for shit by his own admission. So in his original version, the original Wasp was just dead and Hope had a much smaller role.

Overall, Wright is a much more accomplished filmmaker than Reed, but it's a blessing in disguise than things turned out the way they did.

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#130568: Jul 26th 2021 at 4:34:04 PM

So I thought Hope genuinely didn't like Scott because of how much focus Pym was giving him.

Honestly the writing didn't give them much romantic tension at all. There were many who felt at the end that them kissing felt forced and out of nowhere.

GNinja The Element of Hyperbole. from The deepest, darkest corner of his mind. Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
The Element of Hyperbole.
#130569: Jul 26th 2021 at 4:34:33 PM

[up][up] I wish we could've had a situation where someone else wrote the script but Edgar directed and edited and all that.

Cuz Edgar's filmmaking is so much more fun to watch than anything the MCU has ever done.

Edited by GNinja on Jul 26th 2021 at 11:35:03 AM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#130570: Jul 26th 2021 at 4:34:43 PM

[up][up][up] Unfortunate that Wasp got saddled with that shit.

Edited by slimcoder on Jul 26th 2021 at 4:34:50 AM

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Diana1969 Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#130571: Jul 26th 2021 at 4:37:46 PM

Scott is weird because, while I like him as a character, neither of his focus movies give him a good antagonist. Cross and Ghost are Hank Pym's antagonists, not Scott's. Scott is just along for the ride Hank set up. Both movies are about Hank's goals. First it's "steal back my tech", second it's "rescue my wife".

fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Don't want to leave but cannot pretend
#130572: Jul 26th 2021 at 4:38:37 PM

@Chase As much as that helped...

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GNinja The Element of Hyperbole. from The deepest, darkest corner of his mind. Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
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#130573: Jul 26th 2021 at 4:40:36 PM

Scott's also a bit too much of a "He's a "criminal" but he's really REALLY not" for me.

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Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#130574: Jul 26th 2021 at 4:40:55 PM

Even in Civil War, he's just dragged into Cap's shenanigans.

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Diana1969 Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#130575: Jul 26th 2021 at 4:45:45 PM

Even in Civil War, he's just dragged into Cap's shenanigans.

Yeah but I kinda like that there. The thing with Scott is that he's just this normal dude going along for the ride. He's just vibing and trying to do the right thing, it's cute.


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