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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#130426: Jul 24th 2021 at 3:12:50 PM

I dont mind the idea of magneto wondering if he got to far or even entreteing the idea because when someone fight so far the risk you have gone so far is something it should be said.

no equating with the nazis? no, that is way to much.

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chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
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#130427: Jul 24th 2021 at 3:34:32 PM

I always felt the Fox take on Magneto went too far in X2: X-Men United when he hijacks Stryker's plan so he could kill every human in the world. Like, that's a genocide that would easily reach the billions if he succeeded.

Maybe a decent take would have him start off having mutant supremacist views, but realize he's going too far and stop before he does anything too extreme. Have him become a more pragmatic figure who stands for mutants and isn't afraid to get his hands dirty, but isn't an outright villain.

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#130428: Jul 24th 2021 at 3:55:06 PM

If he’s meant to be Xavier’s counterpart and also sympathetic just have him stand for an opposing but not supervillainous ideology.

He seems to like “then I’ll start my own” with Asteroid M and such so make that his thing. He doesn’t believe in peaceful coexistence. He’s not trying to destroy the world but will defend himself and his people

The X Men visit Asteroid or Island M depending, there’s some tension between Xavier and Magneto, there’s a scheme plot by someone like Cortez and maybe some human jerks in cahoots, and bam they have to work together but still believe their respective views at the end

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RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#130429: Jul 24th 2021 at 4:55:38 PM

There's an argument to be made that anti-mutant prejudice exists largely because of Magneto, stealing nuclear weapons and plotting world domination back when the public was barely aware mutants even existed.

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#130430: Jul 24th 2021 at 4:59:39 PM

[up]What?

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#130431: Jul 24th 2021 at 5:04:37 PM

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Exactly what they said. That Erik's attempts to protect mutants when people were only barely aware of them resulted in people's first exposure to mutants being him and his Brotherhood of Evil Mutants hijacking nukes and saying we're mutants and we're gonna take over.

They're some really bad optics to be honest. First impressions and all that.

Edit: Right, so maybe saying ALL anti mutant prejudice exists because of Magneto is naive, but again, he didn't give people who were probably on the fence a good first impression.

Edited by HandsomeRob on Jul 24th 2021 at 5:05:31 AM

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#130432: Jul 24th 2021 at 5:12:06 PM

I think I like Magneto as an anarchist, going after governments. But we just had a villainous anarchist in the MCU that drew a fair bit of critisim, so maybe that ship has sailed.

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#130433: Jul 24th 2021 at 5:14:15 PM

Prolly the most original we can do is either the Genosha/Asteroid M thing or have him be a teacher.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#130434: Jul 24th 2021 at 5:16:21 PM

....so, which comes first in the timeline:

Black Widow, Black Panther, or Spiderman Homecoming?

And for that matter, what order do they even happen?

Edited by HandsomeRob on Jul 24th 2021 at 5:17:01 AM

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#130435: Jul 24th 2021 at 5:18:47 PM

Its alphabetical.

But Black Widow happens like right after Civil War. Black Panther and Homecoming seem like there's more of a gap

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Diana1969 Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#130436: Jul 24th 2021 at 5:26:31 PM

I've made this view clear before, but to me the most important facet of Magneto is not that he's Jewish but that he's a victim of genocide (I say this as a Jewish man). Thus if you updated him to be Rwandan I think that could add excellent characterization to him. If you wanted to keep him Jewish, you could even make him half Ethiopian (Beta Israel). There's a lot of layers there, and given that Rwanda is really close to where Wakanda allegedly is, that could give him conflict with them for a future story.

Looking back on some suggestions previously made in this thread (Gaon had suggested Palestinian), I kind of like the idea of Magneto being a sort of legacy character. Max Eisenhardt the man could be dead or extremely old, but Magneto lives on in every oppressed person who strikes back against their oppressors. He could be black or a Latin American immigrant, he could be Armenian, could be Rwandan, Igbo, or Somali. The mask and the motivation unites them as Magneto. The mask alone could make for a striking symbol.

Mind, I know that's not a take everyone would agree on. I doubt Marvel would actually try doing anything like that. But I think it'd be an interesting update.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#130437: Jul 24th 2021 at 5:27:47 PM

Has there been Mutants trying to succeed Magneto after the latter's sort of going straight since?

Edited by slimcoder on Jul 24th 2021 at 5:36:12 AM

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#130438: Jul 24th 2021 at 5:32:18 PM

Sure. Exodus comes to mind.

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#130439: Jul 24th 2021 at 5:45:33 PM

@Handsome Rob...Doesn't the title "Brotherhood of Evil Mutants" suggest that are, you know, non-evil mutants?

Also, a terrorist group attacks and it's assumed that all people of that demographic are part of it and want the same thing? You’d have to be that sort of person to make wide-sweeping assumptions in the first place.

Edited by fredhot16 on Jul 24th 2021 at 5:56:37 AM

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#130440: Jul 24th 2021 at 5:46:44 PM

[up][up][up]I mean, if steve roger can become a legacy chararter, why not erik?

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#130441: Jul 24th 2021 at 6:10:24 PM

Because they need to be a master of magnet?

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#130442: Jul 24th 2021 at 6:16:17 PM

..Doesn't the title "Brotherhood of Evil Mutants" suggest that are, you know, non-evil mutants?

It does, but most in-universe people probably wouldn't think that. Plus, They were called the "Brotherhood of Evil Mutants" back in those days because they needed a bad guy name. It's only years later they tried to justify it, kinda like people trying to justify why the Decepticons called themselves the Decepticons.

Also, a terrorist group attacks and it's assumed that all people of that demographic are part of it and want the same thing? You’d have to be that sort of person to make wide-sweeping assumptions in the first place.

.....also a thing that happens in real life. You're not wrong, and it's not fair, but still. Eric probably did hurt his cause a lot in those early days, even if judging all mutants by his actions is unfair.

Also, why am I explaining this? I'm not even the one who brought up the point. I'm just the one who tried to clarify what I thought the original poster was trying to say.

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#130443: Jul 24th 2021 at 6:16:40 PM

Technically, they could simply roll with "Magneto" referring to his personal magnetism after Erik's death, so any charismatic leader of mutantkind could be a "Magneto".

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chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
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#130444: Jul 24th 2021 at 6:22:35 PM

It's going to be pretty embarrassing if somebody's name is Magneto and their power is not related to magnetism.

I mean, fucking magnets, how do they work?

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#130445: Jul 24th 2021 at 6:27:47 PM

[up][up][up]1. “Evil Mutants” doesn’t seem very inclusive and it shouldn’t take much to think about the distinction between just mutants and evil mutants.

Evil mutants want to kill people? Seems more explained by being evil, which they call themselves, rather then being mutants.

2. Eeehhh...those people who would make such a thing were already primed for it, so to speak. Any incident, minor to major (respectively speaking), would have been enough.

3. Because, Rob my boy, we’re fated to do this until the heat-death of the universe...or the death of one of us. It is our destiny.cool

[up]Considering Magneto tried to leverage his “Magnetic Personality” as a actual power, not even Magneto.

Edited by fredhot16 on Jul 24th 2021 at 6:29:08 AM

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#130446: Jul 24th 2021 at 6:32:41 PM

Alternatively, you could stick with Magneto's helmet as a personal symbol for members of the Brotherhood of Mutants. Not necessarily taking the name Magneto, but taking the aesthetic.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#130447: Jul 24th 2021 at 7:13:55 PM

Because, Rob my boy, we’re fated to do this until the heat-death of the universe...or the death of one of us. It is our destiny.

So what you're saying is, I need to murder destiny.

Ok, thanks.

Getting serious,, the idea of Magneto as a legacy character is an interesting one. I'm almost curious to see them try it.

Like, as others have pointed out, only Exodus really came close to just that. And he's a very different character.

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#130448: Jul 24th 2021 at 7:19:39 PM

A very different, very confused character. Because he was written in the 90s when X-Men writing was less writing and more throwing out plot hooks and going 'eh? eh??' before getting distracted by a laser pointer.

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EmeraldEmperor Lies and Violence! Since: Oct, 2020
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#130449: Jul 24th 2021 at 7:23:45 PM

Maybe we could have the first X-Men movie set in the 60's or 70's or something? Have (at the very least) the core team transported to the future like what happened in the comics a few years ago?

You could easily shoehorn in whatever bullshit reason led to no one knowing about mutants until now, and have an accurate origin for Magneto (maybe have him go to the future too, maybe legacy character, whatever).

chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
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#130450: Jul 24th 2021 at 7:28:15 PM

Of course, a period-piece X-Men film! It's so original, why hasn't Fox done that before?


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