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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#130301: Jul 21st 2021 at 11:05:58 PM

He was trying to sneak around, but he's dummy thicc and the clap of his Liefeldian pecs kept alerting the guards.

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#130302: Jul 22nd 2021 at 2:00:43 AM

Wouldn't Magneto be a child if he met Steve during World War 2? That would be an interesting way to bring Magneto into the MCU, have him think highly of Captain America because he's the one who rescued him from the Holocaust.

Ayasugi Since: Oct, 2010
#130303: Jul 22nd 2021 at 2:19:02 AM

He was in X-Men Evo; Cap, Logan, and the Howling Commandos rescued him as a child from a concentration camp.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#130304: Jul 22nd 2021 at 2:41:59 AM

> and the Howling Commandos rescued him as a child from a concentration camp.

notably it's treated as prison camp instead of death camp.

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Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#130305: Jul 22nd 2021 at 10:29:03 AM

So in non-rumor mill news, Chris Hemsworth and his trainers went over some of the specifics of his diet and training regimen as he bulks up to play Hulk Hogan in a biopic.

Gotta get those 24 inch pythons ready for the cameras, brother. It’s also not hard to see why Endgame was viewed as something of a relief for him preparation wise.

Edited by Beatman1 on Jul 22nd 2021 at 1:29:53 PM

Krory Since: Aug, 2012
#130306: Jul 22nd 2021 at 10:38:53 AM

It's cute how they're pretending he won't have to do steroids. Hogan's 80s physique is literally impossible without them.

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#130307: Jul 22nd 2021 at 10:40:59 AM

[up]As per the man himself when he confessed to doing them. Of course if Hemsworth wasn’t on the juice he would look more ready for a Bruno Sammartino biopic than a Hogan one (although a Bruno story would still be plenty interesting).

Akirakan Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#130308: Jul 22nd 2021 at 10:51:03 AM

They could also always pull a Bill & Ted and give him a buffed suit.

Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#130309: Jul 22nd 2021 at 11:28:11 AM

The problem is like other Hollywood muscle-men Hemsworth has a good side-hustle promoting himself like a sort of pseudo-bodybuilder. And because there's still such a massive social stigma against any form of steroid use Hemsworth has to jump through hoops to pretend like his physique is just naturally gained, despite that being arguably far more damaging in the long run.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#130310: Jul 22nd 2021 at 1:41:17 PM

I feel bad for the actors who has to engage in such incredibly strenuous regimes to attain hardcore physiques.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#130311: Jul 22nd 2021 at 2:54:49 PM

Yeah. Evolution wasn't the first time Eric was a child rather than an adult in WW 2 (that again goes to the Fox movies) but that appearance was pretty cool.

Unfortunately, I think even know, there's no way to make him younger enough to not be utterly geriatric in this series, unless they have him experimenting on himself like he was in Evolution as well (as the machine that made Steve a Super-Soldier in the Evo universe was good for extending the lives of mutants and Mags had been using it).

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Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#130312: Jul 22nd 2021 at 3:20:12 PM

There are plenty of proposed ways of having Erik be Long-Lived to some extent in order to preserve his Holocaust origin.

I'm personally a fan of the Technobabble route with him having electromagnetically-induced slowed aging as a result of his magnetic powers. However the more popular suggestions of him having a secondary mutation or some variant of the Super-Soldier Serum work as well.

HalfFaust Since: Jan, 2019
#130313: Jul 22nd 2021 at 3:21:50 PM

He just has a really good skincare routine.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#130314: Jul 22nd 2021 at 3:22:48 PM

Is aging really that big of a deal in a setting with superpowers and super science?

I shouldn't be hard to come up with an explanation.

Edited by slimcoder on Jul 22nd 2021 at 3:22:57 AM

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#130315: Jul 22nd 2021 at 3:27:05 PM

And it had him know Captain America pre-freeze. More of that in future adaptations, please.

If there's one thing I'd really want Chris Evans back to do, it's a brief scene with the Howling Commandos where they go up against one of those oddball WW 2 era supervillains, and Cap interacts with a "Private Howlett" or something. Basically the same thing they did with Logan's cameo in Earth's Mightiest Heroes.

Really, not specifically Logan related (more Captain America related) but the big thing I really wanted from Marvel One Shots before they stopped doing them that we never got was an Invaders short. Or at the very least another look at the Howling Commandos era.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jul 22nd 2021 at 3:46:08 AM

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#130316: Jul 22nd 2021 at 3:29:09 PM

Here’s how you solve a problem like Magneto

The government launched him into space, relativistic time, he’s back now

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#130317: Jul 22nd 2021 at 3:46:32 PM

It is in fact kind of strange they never did the classic Captain America thing where he faces some foe or concept from WWII (often unmentioned until it resurfaces in the present). Zola (and HYDRA as a broad concept) is the only one who got to do this. Red Skull never re-emerged, Strucker and Zemo lost their WWII roots (as Strucker lost everything else).

A shame, really, because while it can be a bit funny that so many people from WWII became ageless in some fashion, it is always part of the appeal of Rogers-America to see how those figures representative of WWII still linger in the world and the struggles of the 1940's never truly ended in a variety of fashions (and there's always the dark irony of Steve being able to relate with his arch-foes moreso than anyone else). TWS is the only one to follow that beat, kind of.

This is a plot beat you really can't replicate with any of the other guys except maybe Bucky, though in a different way.

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#130318: Jul 22nd 2021 at 4:09:51 PM

Would it not make better sense for Magneto to be updated as a descendant of the Holocaust survivors and growing up with parents who speaks of the horrors they endured during that time period. Trauma of that caliber doesn't die out with the generation that experienced it, it can be passed down to those grew up hearing these stories and seeing how it affects the survivors.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#130319: Jul 22nd 2021 at 4:13:37 PM

Yeha, is not just magneto need some excuse to exist but the simple fact that the holocaust and is impact fade each years as time past and is something eventually marvel will have to deal.

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#130320: Jul 22nd 2021 at 4:24:23 PM

Which is why the MCU retired Steve Rogers and had Sam Wilson take up the mantle and deal with more relative topics in today's America. Steve cannot hope to deal with every modern day problem in America, especially when he's a man out of his time. He can adapt to society but he can't hope to fully understand what others see, even when it's something as simple as passing down the shield to Sam.

Magneto, like many other Marvel characters, will have to be updated to better fit with today's world. While the Holocaust is an important part of his backstory, I would say it'll be disingenuous to treat it like it was the only modern genocide in 20th and even 21st century. There are other ways to make Magneto's character work without needing to retain his original backstory.

chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#130321: Jul 22nd 2021 at 4:24:31 PM

The closest we got to Cap fighting some WWII-era villains was the non-canon Captain America: Super Soldier game, where we had Steve going up against villains like the Iron Cross, Madame Hydra, Baron Strucker (guess why it's not canon anymore), and climaxing with a fight with Zola's robot bodies and the Sleeper.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#130322: Jul 22nd 2021 at 4:34:08 PM

I personally have always kind of enjoyed the concept of making Magneto a Legacy Character with the OG Magneto having been established during WWII, but the current Magneto standing for a different genocide (the Rwandan genocide being a popular one).

Current Magneto being Palestinian would be taking the pin off a political grenade and chucking it at the general direction of the comics, and I'd be here for it.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#130323: Jul 22nd 2021 at 4:42:22 PM

Well it does give some weight to his legacy in that even after death, people still take up his name.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Diana1969 Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#130324: Jul 22nd 2021 at 4:42:30 PM

Current Magneto being Palestinian would be taking the pin off a political grenade and chucking it at the general direction of the comics, and I'd be here for it.

Definitely chucking a political grenade at Chris Claremont's interpretation of Magneto. He actually viewed Xavier and Magneto's relationship as being akin to...David Ben-Gurion and Menachem Begin.

Not, uh, not an interpretation I like.

OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#130325: Jul 22nd 2021 at 5:07:58 PM

Holocaust still has relevance precisely due to those who deny it happened even now. A sad fact that if allowed those who wish to erase history can and will to write their own to further their agenda.

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