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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

StrixObscuro from Somewhere in Massachusetts Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
#130176: Jul 18th 2021 at 10:17:22 PM

If Kirby had played a larger part in Iron Man's creation, I suspect the armor would have been much weirder-looking.

Edited by StrixObscuro on Jul 18th 2021 at 1:17:43 PM

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#130177: Jul 18th 2021 at 10:20:07 PM

To my understanding, Kirby contributed with the design of the Iron Man (as he drew the cover), but the heavy lifting of the art was Don Heck. So the character's conception was more so the Lee brothers-Don Heck with some minor input from Kirby, to my understanding.

It's generally hard to really pierce this sort of thing, though. Lee gets talked up a lot as a credit stealer, but the truth is almost everybody in Marvel in those days was kind of shit at sharing credit for a multitude of reasons (ego, pride, money, petty feuds, e.t.c) and there weren't exactly historical records of those wild west days of the industry, so it's kind of "Rashomon"-Style to pierce it together.

Kirby has a more famous example with Spider-Man where Kirby sometimes claimed to have essentially created the character wholesale, but basically everybody involved in the industry disputes this and says the character as we know was entirely on Lee-Dikto (with Kirby just doing the cover).

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Diana1969 Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#130178: Jul 18th 2021 at 10:23:44 PM

I guess I just defaulted to Lee and Kirby because that was the usual pairing for Marvel's 60's creations.

Doesn't make me hate Tony Stark as a character any less, though. tongue

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#130179: Jul 18th 2021 at 10:31:20 PM

It’s fine he already himself just fine.

He and Deadpool can share a drink on that, their own self-loathing.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
God_of_Awesome Since: Jan, 2001
#130180: Jul 19th 2021 at 12:35:01 AM

MCU Iron Man is less of an American Imperialists and more of a Messiah Complex constantly being torn down from his high seat again and again.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#130181: Jul 19th 2021 at 12:48:03 AM

God all heavily handed symbolism,they even had him re-enact the last supper!

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God_of_Awesome Since: Jan, 2001
#130182: Jul 19th 2021 at 1:33:58 AM

Well, Superman is literally Jesus.

Iron Man is a guy trying to be a savior and failing.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#130183: Jul 19th 2021 at 1:36:47 AM

Only according to Zack Snyder who I swear wants to badly make a Jesus movie

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#130184: Jul 19th 2021 at 1:37:49 AM

Superman is literally not Jesus. He was created by Jews.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#130185: Jul 19th 2021 at 1:38:36 AM

I mean given his backstory it's probably more accurate to say he's like Moses

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#130186: Jul 19th 2021 at 1:44:51 AM

Is backstory is more like moses sure, but nowdays a lot of writer often use him as messiah figure.

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Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#130187: Jul 19th 2021 at 6:18:21 AM

Superman as conceived by Siegel and Shuster has more in common with legendary strongmen like Samson or Hercules than Jesus, imo.

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#130188: Jul 19th 2021 at 11:37:35 AM

I mean, if Superman were really like Moses, he'd turn against the Earthlings who adopted him to join his true people, the Kryptonians, but any time Superman flirts with doing that, it's portrayed as a mistake and/or him going to the dark side.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#130189: Jul 19th 2021 at 11:39:42 AM

Whenever Hollywood gets their hands on Superman he does invariably turn into Jesus, yeah. Hollywood does that a lot. Movies love adapting characters in a way that inserts Christian themes or even outwrites rewrites them as blatant Jesus, God, Satan analogues.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jul 19th 2021 at 11:41:01 AM

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#130190: Jul 19th 2021 at 11:40:00 AM

Has got me thinking about an elseworlds take on Clark where the Moses aspect is amplified.

Mostly I like the idea of Clark Kent having a speech impediment.

But I do like the idea of the Kryptonian city in a bottle being in Earth's custody and Clark having to confront his adoptive planet over it's freedom.

Edited by Whowho on Jul 19th 2021 at 7:42:24 PM

Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#130191: Jul 19th 2021 at 12:05:09 PM

There is some of that flavor in the current Action Comics stories, where basically Superman is going to space to liberate Kryptonian refugees enslaved a gladiator planet.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#130192: Jul 19th 2021 at 12:24:35 PM

Blade has finally found a director.

After a thorough search that has involved months of meeting a slew of talent, Marvel’s new Blade movie has found its director. While a deal is not done yet, sources tell Deadline, Bassam Tariq, best known for directing the Riz Ahmed film Mogul Mowgli, is in talks to direct the the new adaptation of the popular comic with Mahershala Ali set to play the iconic vampire hunter. Stacy Osei-Kuffour is on board to pen the script with Marvel President Kevin Feige producing.

Edited by comicwriter on Jul 19th 2021 at 12:28:10 PM

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#130193: Jul 19th 2021 at 12:31:17 PM

[nja]

Edited by Weirdguy149 on Jul 19th 2021 at 3:31:47 PM

The legend has returned.
Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#130194: Jul 19th 2021 at 12:35:36 PM

Complete unknown (if a critical darling of the indie scene), but by this point this is not a surprise with Marvel (given "promising unknowns" is their usual M.O). Interesting that he's a Muslim Pakistani-american rather than Afro-american as I would have expected.

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Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#130195: Jul 19th 2021 at 12:49:55 PM

Blade's blackness isn't intrinsically tied to his character the way it is with other black characters, so Marvel probably felt they could stretch a bit more.

I imagine/hope getting a POC director was still important though.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#130196: Jul 19th 2021 at 12:54:18 PM

Actually it has just occurred to me that Mahershala Ali and Bassam Tariq are both Muslims. I don't know if that was a coincidence, if Mahershala Ali recommended Tariq's name due a shared interest in the faith, or if they're trying to angle for the fabled Black Muslim history in the US.

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Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#130197: Jul 19th 2021 at 1:14:13 PM

Ooooh, that last bit would be quite the interesting angle to go. I'd be very surprised if Marvel had black Muslim representation beforehand and as noted Blade being black has never been super-important so that sort of lean would be quite the fascinating redirect.

Doubt it goes there but it's fun to think about.

Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#130198: Jul 19th 2021 at 1:27:53 PM

I'm trying to think of any intertwining of Islam and vampires in pop culture and am coming up blanknote , so that would definitely be a unique spin.

lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
The sleepiest good boi
#130199: Jul 19th 2021 at 1:40:45 PM

Speaking of Mulsim superheroes, is the Ms. Marvel show still set to come out this year?

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#130200: Jul 19th 2021 at 1:41:25 PM

Google still says 2021,so yes

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