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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#130101: Jul 17th 2021 at 2:08:14 PM

Shame he never got a moment where he kills a bunch of people with his finger nails. tongue

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Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#130102: Jul 17th 2021 at 2:13:59 PM

Is that a thing Ultimate Hawkeye did?

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#130103: Jul 17th 2021 at 2:18:47 PM

Yeah he was captured and tortured so he escaped by quite literally tearing off his own finger nails and then flinging them into his captors necks despite being restrained.

Quickly after he had an entire rooms full of people with guns on him point blank and he still killed them all, ending the scene with him telling the people watching the cameras to run while he was holding 2 assault rifles.

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Akirakan Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#130104: Jul 17th 2021 at 2:19:39 PM

It has nearly the same drop as the other big openings of the year, F9 (72% drop) and A Quiet Place (68%). It's definitely a trend that will continue for a while.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#130105: Jul 17th 2021 at 2:21:18 PM

[up][up] They basically made him Bullseye

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miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#130106: Jul 17th 2021 at 2:22:17 PM

Ultimate Hawkeye is a weird combo with the Punisher and Bullseye. Which is odd as Punisher exists their too.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#130107: Jul 17th 2021 at 2:23:22 PM

As did Bullseye!

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#130108: Jul 17th 2021 at 2:23:41 PM

Though Punisher did come a while after. Didn't even know Bullseye was in the Ultimate universe.

He also said the line "Darth Maul was his ***** back" towards the Colonel while hiding giant glass shards cause Colonel's weapon is a double-blade lightsaber.

Edited by slimcoder on Jul 17th 2021 at 2:24:46 AM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#130109: Jul 17th 2021 at 5:22:04 PM

Huh I just now realized the Hawkeye show is our next action show after What-If.

Alright so it’s gonna introduce Kate into the MCU and hopefully it will give Clint himself some good character.

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DoubleOG (Apprentice)
#130110: Jul 17th 2021 at 5:35:36 PM

We might see him in a comic accurate outfit. Like what has happened in the other D+ shows.

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#130111: Jul 17th 2021 at 7:39:42 PM

And it doesn't help that the Yakuza has a Noble Demon reputation

Nowadays, a fairly undeserved one.

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#130112: Jul 18th 2021 at 1:42:58 AM

I guess it would've helped if the Yakuza had been shown to threaten innocent people beforehand.

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The sleepiest good boi
#130113: Jul 18th 2021 at 6:25:45 AM

[up]...They're the yakuza. I think that's already implied.

Edited by lbssb on Jul 18th 2021 at 6:27:11 AM

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Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#130114: Jul 18th 2021 at 7:23:42 AM

I think that's why the optics of the scene would have been questionable shitty yakuza actions or nah... at its core it's still a white American killing a bunch of Asian people because real world stereotyping tells us they're bad (analogous to, say, an American military guy shooting up a Middle Eastern Terrorists base for coolness points).

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#130115: Jul 18th 2021 at 7:40:45 AM

We are clearly not meant to see Clint's actions at the beginning of Endgame as heroic. He lost his family to the Snap and goes on a vigilante rampage, murdering presumed criminals for no better reason than that they exist. This is wrong. He's a broken person and killing people isn't making that any better. When Natasha arrives she has to bring him back both to sanity and to morality.

Edited by Fighteer on Jul 18th 2021 at 10:41:03 AM

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Mario1995 The Dishonorable from Atlanta Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
The Dishonorable
#130116: Jul 18th 2021 at 8:21:00 AM

Black Widow made $26.25 million on its second weekend, a 67.3% drop. Global total now stands at $264 million.

Granted, that's a little far from the 69% drop Batman v. Superman saw in week two, but can you imagine Chapek continuing to give Feige a creative and budget license to do whatever he wants? I don't think so.

Edited by Mario1995 on Jul 18th 2021 at 11:21:36 AM

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Lost in Space
#130117: Jul 18th 2021 at 8:29:37 AM

Are we doing this thing where a MCU film is considered a failure if it doesn't gross a billion dollars?

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Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Mario1995 The Dishonorable from Atlanta Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
The Dishonorable
#130119: Jul 18th 2021 at 8:31:29 AM

[up]Well, considering that the people who run Disney now are strictly "by the numbers" people (Feige railed against the PA release but ended up relenting), of course it's fine to speculate.

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Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#130120: Jul 18th 2021 at 8:32:26 AM

It'd probably be more useful to compare it to other movies that came out this year. My vague understanding is that while a few movies have managed strong openings, none have followed up a strong opening with a strong second weekend.

Mario1995 The Dishonorable from Atlanta Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
The Dishonorable
#130121: Jul 18th 2021 at 8:33:53 AM

[up]Still, it's hard to spin a 67% drop for a Marvel movie positively.

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Goku Black
#130122: Jul 18th 2021 at 8:39:52 AM

In you know a pandemic that has killed millions it seems okay.

It's not even that different from the norm.

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SatoshiBakura (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#130123: Jul 18th 2021 at 8:41:13 AM

Considering that we are still in a pandemic, yeah, that can be spun positively.

Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#130124: Jul 18th 2021 at 8:45:20 AM

Yeah, as we have been telling you in pretty much every thread you bring that “theaters are doomed” narrative up, the curve against which that statistic should be looked at is not the Marvel curve but the pandemic curve.

The latter undoubtedly has more pull. The sharp drop in the second weekend is not unique to Black Widow.

The best point of comparison pandemic wise will be Space Jam’s second weekend, as it was released a week after BW, ie. at a time point where a significant number of people are vaccinated but the Delta variant gets more intimidating.

Edited by Synchronicity on Jul 18th 2021 at 10:45:54 AM

Mario1995 The Dishonorable from Atlanta Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
The Dishonorable
#130125: Jul 18th 2021 at 8:45:38 AM

[up][up]There are now 4,000+ theaters open. BW actually added theaters this weekend, and most US territories have no capacity restrictions left (that's probably gonna change in the coming weeks, but still). There's no excuse to be made.

[up]I actually expect that movie to drop even harder next weekend, though family movies tend to have longer legs.

Edited by Mario1995 on Jul 18th 2021 at 11:46:23 AM

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