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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#130076: Jul 16th 2021 at 6:28:21 PM

I am very curious what gave Pietro his powers.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#130077: Jul 16th 2021 at 7:00:49 PM

Wanda is my guess

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#130078: Jul 16th 2021 at 8:32:43 PM

Shame hes dead. We are not gonna get an answer to that for a while.

Holy fuck I just now realized Endgame Hawkeye is essentially post-Ultimates 2 Hawkeye where like Endgame he lost his family and suffered from immense PTSD over it.

Though Endgame Hawkeye was just a brooding anti-hero, Ultimates 3 Hawkeye was an angry psychopath constantly picking fights with an itchy trigger finger.

Edited by slimcoder on Jul 16th 2021 at 8:32:52 AM

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Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#130079: Jul 16th 2021 at 8:41:55 PM

Shame hes dead. We are not gonna get an answer to that for a while.

And when we do he won't be around to react to it. Though they could always have a variant show up.

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#130080: Jul 17th 2021 at 6:21:33 AM

I'd argue that MCU Hawkeye isn't even an anti-hero. He's just a regular hero that's grumpy due to circumstances.

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#130081: Jul 17th 2021 at 6:38:39 AM

> Wanda is my guess

Cosmo too

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#130082: Jul 17th 2021 at 6:51:22 AM

[up][up] In Endgame, he definitely is an Anti-Hero.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#130083: Jul 17th 2021 at 7:35:26 AM

Pietro was an average kid that nobody understands

Mom and dad and Strucker always giving him commands

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Mario1995 The Dishonorable from Atlanta Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
The Dishonorable
#130084: Jul 17th 2021 at 7:41:46 AM

Black Widow grossed $8.03 million on its second Friday.

Bro.

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Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#130085: Jul 17th 2021 at 7:57:56 AM

[up]How did that compare to everyone else? The numbers are so screwy these days I need more context. It probably does have the advantage of the biggest new release getting utterly scathing reviews and being on HBO Max.

Mario1995 The Dishonorable from Atlanta Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
The Dishonorable
#130086: Jul 17th 2021 at 8:13:01 AM

[up]That movie is on track for a $32 million opening.

BW looks to snag $25.6M on week 2, a 68% drop. That could conceivably lead to Disney taking more control over the MCU and lessen what Feige can do.

Edited by Mario1995 on Jul 17th 2021 at 11:14:32 AM

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Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Pet Owner
#130087: Jul 17th 2021 at 8:16:14 AM

Didn't Disney want a hybrid release not Feige?

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Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#130088: Jul 17th 2021 at 8:16:56 AM

Or, maybe the pandemic's screwed up everything and thus maybe people are rethinking this whole 'box office numbers = success' business model. I don't know, I'm not a cynic.

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Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Pet Owner
#130089: Jul 17th 2021 at 8:24:26 AM

I mean I am worried about PA if it might have taken part in this steep drop.

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Mario1995 The Dishonorable from Atlanta Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
The Dishonorable
#130090: Jul 17th 2021 at 8:24:41 AM

[up]With 4,000+ theaters open I'm not sure if the pandemic matters in these numbers.

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Khfan429 Since: Aug, 2009
#130091: Jul 17th 2021 at 10:17:17 AM

It 100% does. "Theaters are open" doesn't automatically equate to "everyone in the audience willing to go back when a big chunk of the population still isn't vaccinated and there's an alternate digital option".

It's one thing to observe that it's a big drop, it's another thing to immediately start pivoting to "Disney's going to start taking more control away from Marvel Studios".

Edited by Khfan429 on Jul 17th 2021 at 10:17:40 AM

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#130092: Jul 17th 2021 at 10:53:22 AM

A single data point is not a trend however.

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#130093: Jul 17th 2021 at 11:19:03 AM

I'd argue that MCU Hawkeye isn't even an anti-hero.

He certainly was in endgame. He was going around murdering Yakuza.

Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#130094: Jul 17th 2021 at 11:47:31 AM

Didn't WW 84 see a similar drop? Basically, all the vaccinated nerds who want to see it ASAP come out the first week, then the next week you're left with the theater-hesitant remaining population. Not surprising, also doesn't mean "theaters are dead". Please stop pushing this narrative with no concrete basis.

Edited by Synchronicity on Jul 17th 2021 at 1:48:17 PM

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#130095: Jul 17th 2021 at 11:49:40 AM

Tbf WW 84 had uh not good word of mouth from what I've heard....

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Krory Since: Aug, 2012
#130096: Jul 17th 2021 at 12:15:01 PM

People aren't going back to theatres yet. I saw Black Widow opening day in a theatre. There were like 30 people there, and it was by far the most packed house.

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#130097: Jul 17th 2021 at 12:29:45 PM

With the advent of a rising Delta COVID-19 plus the fact a show like Loki was playing in Disney+ at the same time (with a lot more excitement of what is to come), I don't see what is there to panic about box office dollars given the status of theaters.

It'll take a long time for the theaters to recover back to their original levels. Schools are still using Zoom Meetings and I've heard (at least here in California) that schools ain't gonna have in-class sessions until next year. So movie theaters are not gonna see big time attendance in a while (unless the blockbuster is so big, it must be seen on the big screen).

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#130098: Jul 17th 2021 at 1:11:56 PM

He certainly was in endgame. He was going around murdering Yakuza.

I mean... to be fair, they're yakuza. tongue

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Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Pet Owner
#130099: Jul 17th 2021 at 1:26:27 PM

I mean if Space Jam 2 has a huge dive, then it proves movies have to rely on first week sales for now.

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FGHIK Since: Aug, 2013
#130100: Jul 17th 2021 at 2:04:42 PM

[up][up] Still, going around on his own murdering criminals is a lot more aggressive than his normal behavior. And it doesn't help that the Yakuza has a Noble Demon reputation, and we aren't really shown that the people he's killing are exceptionally evil.


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