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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#130026: Jul 15th 2021 at 8:37:13 PM

[up][up][up]Even the sinister goatee.

Also given that Marvel didn't establish Kang was an alias and that his real name was Nathaniel Richards until much later (Kang first appeared in the early 1960s; his real name was revealed in 1992), it's entirely possible Lee and Kirby just intended for it to be a "future-sounding" sci-fi name.

Edited by comicwriter on Jul 15th 2021 at 8:37:31 AM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#130027: Jul 15th 2021 at 8:39:12 PM

[up][up] I've been wondering if, with the FF coming up, the solution to Kang will eventually be "Ultimate Nullifier Does Whatever."

But then, I guess they already did the "hero uses the artifact to completely wipe the villain out" thing with Thanos.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jul 15th 2021 at 8:39:46 AM

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#130028: Jul 15th 2021 at 8:43:42 PM

I mean with the MCU that doesn't rule out repeating the idea

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#130029: Jul 16th 2021 at 1:53:29 AM

I thought the Ultimate Nullifier was the thing for beating Galactus, using it again for Kang isn't cool, you don't re-use Macguffins. Might as well just Snap Kang away.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Jul 16th 2021 at 1:53:48 AM

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#130030: Jul 16th 2021 at 1:55:02 AM

Every day I am more and more annoyed that the Cosmic Cube, a thing that is very much its own thing in the Marvel Universe, is just a thing that was hiding an Infinity Stone in the MCU. It's lame.

Also, speaking of Kang: Boy Howdy, does the MCU sure love having villains that just sound like... dudes.

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#130031: Jul 16th 2021 at 2:00:35 AM

Kang kind of is just a dude, right? He's just a regular genius human in the 31st century who happened to be smart enough to break time and multiverse travel and nowhere else in time is prepared for a super-genius standing on the shoulders of the guy who stood on the shoulders of the guy who stood on the shoulders of the guy who stood on the shoulders of Tony Stark.

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#130032: Jul 16th 2021 at 2:05:43 AM

He's Kang the Conqueror! Master of Time and Space! He has presence! He has gravitas! He has a certain je ne sais quoi. But much like Ultron or Hela or 90 percent of MCU villains, he's just a dude. Who talks like a normal regular person. Because this is the MCU, and everything has to be grounded and down-to-earth and smaller. If a villain actually sounds like, ya know, a supervillain, it's either Thanos or Red Skull being the exception to the rule, or it's Ronan the Accuser and Surtur where the joke is that they're trying to sound like dramatic, more serious villains but they're in a cartoon bullshit whoopie cushion sound effect universe where no one cares. They exist in a setting where the destruction of Asgard leaving thousands of innocent people as refugees is a punchline.

Maybe he'll be different when we see one of the alternate Kangs in Ant-Man. Maybe I'll be surprised. But I'm not holding my breath.

Edited by SonOfSharknado on Jul 16th 2021 at 5:06:31 AM

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FGHIK Since: Aug, 2013
#130033: Jul 16th 2021 at 2:07:45 AM

[up][up][up] Did they ever actually call it the cosmic cube? I thought they just called it the tesseract.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#130034: Jul 16th 2021 at 2:33:54 AM

[up][up] What are you getting at here? I don’t really understand what your talking about.

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#130035: Jul 16th 2021 at 5:47:42 AM

Think he means supervillain who talks casually.

As opposed to having grandiose and dramatic speech patterns like Dr. Doom.

Basically Bendis speak.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Jul 16th 2021 at 8:48:11 AM

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#130036: Jul 16th 2021 at 5:52:20 AM

Probably because everyone’s so snarky that they shut down the bombastic speeches as soon as they start.

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#130037: Jul 16th 2021 at 5:54:38 AM

That's why when Doom shows up, this should be the default reaction from ANY MCU character.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lxudn6ILIKA

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#130038: Jul 16th 2021 at 5:56:54 AM

I personally feel the comics shill Doom way too much so I hope the movies avoid it. I'm in a minority that considers the film depictions of Doom better than the comics since the writers aren't as obsessed with kissing his ass.

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#130039: Jul 16th 2021 at 5:57:46 AM

Well at least someone appreciates crash test Doom dummy.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Jul 16th 2021 at 8:59:18 AM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#130040: Jul 16th 2021 at 6:00:57 AM

They aren’t good characters though, especially Crash Test Doom.

[up][up][up] Mandarin seems to be shaping up to be a pretty dignified guy. Helps that Shang appears to take him pretty seriously due to their relationship. Less snark and more just plain dislike.

Edited by slimcoder on Jul 16th 2021 at 6:01:24 AM

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#130041: Jul 16th 2021 at 6:03:14 AM

Mind you I said "better" not necessarily "good" characters.

[up]I don't mind a villain being depicted with dignity. It's the way the writers often buy into Doom's hype, often at the cost of the story or other characters, I have an issue with. There are times when I can't tell the difference between an official depiction of Doom and a story about him posted on fanfiction.net.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#130042: Jul 16th 2021 at 6:03:49 AM

I presume the more dignified presentation of the Mandarin is due to the backlash from 3's version and because they want to appeal to the Chinese market.

[up] Honestly, part of Doom's appeal is that he CAN back up most of his boasts and is genuinely one of the smartest men in Marvel. He's pure comic book cheese played straight.

I guess that's just not for everyone. Plus writers recently have shown Reed in a really bad light these past few years.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Jul 16th 2021 at 9:05:30 AM

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#130043: Jul 16th 2021 at 6:05:22 AM

[up] I'm a little surprised the latter is still a goal of theirs.

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#130044: Jul 16th 2021 at 6:05:34 AM

Well of course the real deal is going to be more dignified than an actor and a block of wood.

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#130045: Jul 16th 2021 at 6:06:02 AM

[up][up] There is money to be made so of course they will.

The MCU is popular in China, unlike Star Wars, so Shang-Chi is actually a valid choice that can appeal to China without being like Mulan.

Like Lucas Film's attempts at pandering to China is the more baffling parts with bits like the Stormtrooper march in the great wall of China, downplaying Finn in Chinese promotional material, as well as taking the name Star Wars out of Solo.

None of which has worked.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Jul 16th 2021 at 9:09:06 AM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#130046: Jul 16th 2021 at 6:07:03 AM

It’s working pretty well, he’s looking pretty cool in the trailers.

Especially the “I told my men they could not kill you, glad to know I was right” lines.

Lotta control and menace, really helps sell the badassery.

Edited by slimcoder on Jul 16th 2021 at 6:07:28 AM

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#130047: Jul 16th 2021 at 6:12:28 AM

Honestly, I'm really intrigued at how they will handle Shang Chi and Mandarin's familial relationship, since Familial Piety is quite important in China.

To the point where the usual cold and fun hating Chinese censors actually let Coco be shown in China thanks to it's family themes.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Jul 16th 2021 at 9:12:40 AM

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
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#130048: Jul 16th 2021 at 1:40:56 PM

Also, speaking of Kang: Boy Howdy, does the MCU sure love having villains that just sound like... dudes.

Because Kang is just a guy. Regardless the one here is basically Immortus who isn't as up his own ass like Kang.

Edited by Cortez on Jul 16th 2021 at 5:52:10 AM

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#130049: Jul 16th 2021 at 1:44:56 PM

I always found Kang pretty lame tbh. But lets see what they make of him.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#130050: Jul 16th 2021 at 1:46:20 PM

I don't their gonna fuck him up, this is clearly a long-term investment and its not like Thanos didn't live up to the hype.

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