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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#129951: Jul 13th 2021 at 4:13:28 PM

And in the movies the acting moments tend to be overshadowed, time-wise and in audience perception, by all the action that's going on.

It's for that reason that I think Olsen and Bettany's Emmy nominations are fairly deserved, because WV actually gave them space to emote and grow rather than what passes for character growth in the movies.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#129952: Jul 13th 2021 at 5:25:35 PM

I do genuinely think it's pretty bullshit that Carl Lumbly didn't get nominated.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#129953: Jul 13th 2021 at 8:31:58 PM

Yes if they were gonna give it to a guest star, that makes way more sense to me. His angry speech was really moving.

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Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#129955: Jul 13th 2021 at 10:53:49 PM

[up][up]Emmy Guest Star rules (p 51 here) require a performer to appear in less than half of the episodes, which skews against shorter series. Lumbly was in 3/6 so the mouse house would have had to campaign him as supporting, if they did at all.

Edited by Synchronicity on Jul 13th 2021 at 12:54:01 PM

GNinja The Element of Hyperbole. from The deepest, darkest corner of his mind. Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
The Element of Hyperbole.
#129956: Jul 14th 2021 at 7:42:04 PM

So can someone explain to me, as someone who knows next to nothing about comics, what exactly makes Kang such a big deal and a Thanos tier threat?

Like, I get that he's a time traveler, but there are plenty of other time travelling villains in fiction who aren't omega-tier threats. Like, what's especially dangerous about Kang's skillset?

Edited by GNinja on Jul 14th 2021 at 2:45:02 PM

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fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Don't want to leave but cannot pretend
#129957: Jul 14th 2021 at 7:44:56 PM

He wears purple.

Fuck if I know, his costume reminds me of Baron Zemo's, particularly when it got glued to his face. One of the first cosmic villains, I guess?

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Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#129958: Jul 14th 2021 at 7:46:40 PM

[up][up]Future technology designed to plan everything you do is to ensure his complete rule.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#129959: Jul 14th 2021 at 7:50:01 PM

He's one of those fancy renaissance men who is great at everything. He's a genius scientist, tactician, and he's a combatant on the level of Captain America. He uses technology from all up and down the timestream and its advanced enough to vex whole teams of Avengers. He's already conquered the future so he has basically infinite troops and the only reason he doesn't invade with infinite troops is because that would be boring.

But I guess the meta reason is its because he's an early Avengers foe who recurred enough to become iconic and he's tied to a bunch of other iconic people because they're all him, which gives him increased clout even though it mostly involves having his face rubbed into the dirt by the Avengers or Fantastic Four.

I don't know what to tell you. If he doesn't work for you, he doesn't work for you. He's future conqueror man. He may or may not be descended from Reed Richards or Doctor Doom but he's from so far in the future that its silly to think it matters.

Edited by Bocaj on Jul 14th 2021 at 10:50:24 AM

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RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#129960: Jul 14th 2021 at 7:53:01 PM

And, thanks to all the time traveling he does, he's changed his own past a bunch of times, resulting in many different versions of him existing, so there's a wide range of Kangs to pick from.

Edited by RavenWilder on Jul 14th 2021 at 7:53:23 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#129961: Jul 14th 2021 at 7:53:40 PM

He's one of the Avengers most longstanding foes alongside Ultron.

He has won and taken over the world at several points so he's no slouch.

I remember when he kidnapped Angel's Apocalypse kids and molded them into world-destroying weapons during Uncanny Avengers.

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GNinja The Element of Hyperbole. from The deepest, darkest corner of his mind. Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
The Element of Hyperbole.
#129962: Jul 14th 2021 at 7:54:20 PM

[up][up][up] Oh, I wasn't asking because I don't like him. I just don't know anything about it him other than that people are apparently hyped for him

Edited by GNinja on Jul 14th 2021 at 2:55:17 PM

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#129963: Jul 14th 2021 at 7:56:16 PM

He got a sword shaped spaceship and a giant hologram projector just so he could pose like this for a cover.

The mad lad.

Edited by Bocaj on Jul 14th 2021 at 10:59:32 AM

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jjjj2 from Arrakis Since: Jul, 2015
#129964: Jul 14th 2021 at 7:58:36 PM

Doesn't link to anything. Make sure you cut off the end part of the link so it ends on .png

[down]Well it says you edited it, so I guess it does link to the image now, although to be fair it did link to an image before, just a placeholder image.

Edited by jjjj2 on Jul 14th 2021 at 11:00:50 AM

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#129965: Jul 14th 2021 at 7:59:38 PM

Or does it

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Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#129966: Jul 14th 2021 at 8:01:01 PM

[up]x4 If you have Disney Plus, I'd recommend the Avengers Earth's Mightiest Heroes episodes "The Man Who Stole Tomorrow," "Come the Conqueror," and "The Kang Dynasty." They were basically my introduction to Kang and they do a good job establishing him as a credible solo villain.

Edited by Aleistar on Jul 14th 2021 at 11:01:25 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#129967: Jul 14th 2021 at 8:01:06 PM

He was also in Earth's Mightiest Heroes.

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chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#129968: Jul 14th 2021 at 8:11:08 PM

Kang also fought the crew of the USS Enterprise.

Also, Loki (2021) spoilers, I guess.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#129969: Jul 14th 2021 at 8:18:32 PM

We've also gotten some Kang history videos recently.

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Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#129970: Jul 14th 2021 at 10:55:09 PM

I have to say though, Kang has one of the most atrocious costume designs in comic book history. The green-and-purple tunic is not too bad on its own. But then there's the weird blue gimp mask (which I used to think was his actual skin) and dorky purple helmet combo. And the thigh-high boots.

Kang has no drips whatsoever.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#129971: Jul 14th 2021 at 11:02:40 PM

Drip is very important. Zemo himself said it once, he won't stand for no-drip losers.

On an unrelated note I just now realized how amusing it is that Hawkeye is pretty much completely based on his Ultimate incarnation and is arguably the most boring Avenger in terms of portrayal here.

Here's hoping his upcoming show gives him so much needed charm like in the Fraction series.

Edited by slimcoder on Jul 14th 2021 at 11:03:16 AM

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#129972: Jul 14th 2021 at 11:04:17 PM

Kang pulls off the costume through sheer refusal to be embarrassed about it decades later.

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ClancyGardener life is a state of mind from 53 miles west of Venus Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
#129973: Jul 14th 2021 at 11:22:10 PM

I guess Kang is so hyped because not only is he a credible cosmic threat and sufficiently well-exposed, he's also the most notable time-travelling villain in Marvel. He doesn't have much competition in that category, either. I mean, has anybody heard of Future Man? Or Tomorrow Man?

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#129974: Jul 14th 2021 at 11:23:19 PM

He certainly has a more creative name.

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Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#129975: Jul 14th 2021 at 11:25:38 PM

Fashion is dead in the future, surely.


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