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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#129851: Jul 11th 2021 at 1:32:02 PM

I'm pro Sam Wilson suddenly being able to talk to birds.

Being able to talk to animals is a great and fun power and I hate that modern adaptions always skimp out on that.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#129852: Jul 11th 2021 at 1:32:38 PM

Seconded

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#129853: Jul 11th 2021 at 1:34:32 PM

Sam Wilson in New York with an army of pigeons is one of the most terrifying superheroes in existence.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#129854: Jul 11th 2021 at 1:36:44 PM

It’s like the ultimate spy power since your always surrounded by birds.

Would be perfect for a soldier guy.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Diana1969 Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#129855: Jul 11th 2021 at 1:37:40 PM

This is giving me John Wick vibes.

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#129856: Jul 11th 2021 at 3:27:01 PM

That actually is a John Wick character. Laurence Fishburne, if I remember right. ...So if Elihas comes back, that'd be a fun power.

The legend has returned.
Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#129857: Jul 11th 2021 at 3:32:45 PM

So after a few months of tentative dips into the box office pool, Black Widow (2021) dove in head first and made the sort of money a Marvel movie is expected to make. This franchise's appeal isn't slowing down just yet.

Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Pet Owner
#129858: Jul 11th 2021 at 3:56:31 PM

WoKe Go BrOkE!

Edited by Mizerous on Jul 11th 2021 at 6:56:44 AM

Just Makima.
Mario1995 The Dishonorable from Atlanta Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
The Dishonorable
#129859: Jul 11th 2021 at 4:03:40 PM

[up][up]$80 million is still in the low end, though. And I guarantee you they wouldn't have disclosed the D+ number if they were confident in the results (Mulan had $90 million on D+ if I recall, yet Disney refused to disclose that). The film would've undoubtedly made more if it was theatrical-only.

What worries me about this is that Disney could take the wrong lessons from this and decide to PA the rest of their 2021 slate and their entire 2022 slate (excluding 20th titles). The last thing they want is to see a talent pushback or boycott threats like WB, who is paying dearly for that (do you honesty think getting spun off to a conglomerate that makes hillbilly trash is a good thing?).

Edited by Mario1995 on Jul 11th 2021 at 7:06:10 AM

"The devil's got all the good gear. What's God got? The Inspiral Carpets and nuns. Fuck that." - Liam Gallagher
Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Pet Owner
#129860: Jul 11th 2021 at 4:21:24 PM

[up] WHY on earth would they do that? Shang Chi is set for theaters anyways.

Just Makima.
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#129861: Jul 11th 2021 at 4:24:11 PM

And I think there's contractual obligations with Sony to release Spider-Man in December

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Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#129862: Jul 11th 2021 at 4:24:31 PM

[up][up][up]Mulan had $90M in its first 12 days. BW made $80M in its first couple of days.

Edited by Synchronicity on Jul 11th 2021 at 6:24:42 AM

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#129863: Jul 11th 2021 at 4:25:36 PM

[up][up][up][up][up]I haven't been seeing anybody call Black Widow "woke" (the opposite, actually, given ScarJo) so I'm not sure what that has to do with anything.

Edited by Anomalocaris20 on Jul 11th 2021 at 7:25:58 AM

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Mario1995 The Dishonorable from Atlanta Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
The Dishonorable
#129864: Jul 11th 2021 at 4:28:09 PM

[up][up][up][up]It's been pointed out by many in Hollywood trades that Disney gets nearly all the dough in PA than they do splitting the dough with theaters. The expectation is that Disney could double down on PA so that it can take more profits and reduce their dependability on theaters, which Disney has for years had a notoriously difficult relationship with.

By that logic, why would you "go back to normal" when you can increase your share of the profits?

Edited by Mario1995 on Jul 11th 2021 at 7:29:15 AM

"The devil's got all the good gear. What's God got? The Inspiral Carpets and nuns. Fuck that." - Liam Gallagher
Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#129865: Jul 11th 2021 at 4:31:37 PM

[up][up] Weird. They yell that all the time when doing anything not starring white men.

Wake me up at your own risk.
lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
The sleepiest good boi
#129866: Jul 11th 2021 at 4:34:05 PM

[up]I think they really just hate Brie Larson specifically but don't wanna come out and say it.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#129867: Jul 11th 2021 at 4:36:12 PM

A lot of people don't have good enough internet to stream stuff reliably.

Exiting the theater system entirely would be cutting off a revenue stream

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#129868: Jul 11th 2021 at 4:37:01 PM

Like I said, I haven't seen anybody saying that about Black Widow.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Mario1995 The Dishonorable from Atlanta Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
The Dishonorable
#129869: Jul 11th 2021 at 4:38:37 PM

[up][up]Tell that to the dumbass hedge funds and equity firms constantly pumping up Netflix stock like it will replace TV and theatrical entirely (yes, they really believe this).

"The devil's got all the good gear. What's God got? The Inspiral Carpets and nuns. Fuck that." - Liam Gallagher
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#129870: Jul 11th 2021 at 4:40:42 PM

Okay so gamers haven't bankrupt them enough yet.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#129871: Jul 11th 2021 at 4:42:32 PM

Disney+ is also not available in many parts of the world, as mentioned in Raya and the Last Dragon discussions and Southeast Asia availability.

So that does feel like a slippery slope argument.

fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Don't want to leave but cannot pretend
#129872: Jul 11th 2021 at 5:01:36 PM

...What’s supposed to be the argument, again? It’s hard to tell what Mario is trying to say.

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Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#129873: Jul 11th 2021 at 5:04:42 PM

From what I can tell, box office doom and gloom about how theaters are supposedly going to die.

The legend has returned.
Mario1995 The Dishonorable from Atlanta Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
The Dishonorable
#129874: Jul 11th 2021 at 5:08:33 PM

[up]Well, not just that, but Disney themselves accelerating that trend by praising the almighty D+ gods, destroying their own profitable businesses in the process.

Edited by Mario1995 on Jul 11th 2021 at 8:08:54 AM

"The devil's got all the good gear. What's God got? The Inspiral Carpets and nuns. Fuck that." - Liam Gallagher
Akirakan Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#129875: Jul 11th 2021 at 5:20:03 PM

Who do we actually expect to be in Armour Wars outside of Rhodey, Justin Hammer and Iornheart?

Oh, I would love for them to take the opportunity to introduce Toni Ho. She's the daughter of Yinsen, the scientist that helped Tony build the first suit in the cave.

She's a super genius and builds her own armor, eventually taking the Iron Patriot mantel. She's a lesbian too.


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