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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

jakobitis Doctor of Doctorates from Somewhere, somewhen Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Doctor of Doctorates
#129751: Jul 10th 2021 at 3:30:26 AM

I note that Captain Marvel's crowning moment is the point where Carol realises she doesn't even need to actually fight the guy and just casually zaps him with literally no effort.

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#129752: Jul 10th 2021 at 3:43:38 AM

[up]Granted, that moment feel somewhat undermine before by tunring the ship away from earth and beat her former collegues with her powers, that was just a moral victory.

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GNinja The Element of Hyperbole. from The deepest, darkest corner of his mind. Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
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#129753: Jul 10th 2021 at 3:51:37 AM

My favourite part of Captain Marvel was her resisting the Central Intelligence. That always felt like the true climax of the movie to me. Everything that followed was like a protracted victory lap.

[up][up][up][up][up] The thing with Killmonger though is that I can't really defend my position in any way. Which is frustrating. People write these long thoughtful essays about how amazing Killmonger is, and nothing they're saying is wrong, I can see most of it, but it always comes down to... "None of this makes him interesting to watch for me though." He's like this amalgam of compelling concepts, with a cool backstory and thematic resonance, without a central presence for me to care about. It's weird.

Edited by GNinja on Jul 10th 2021 at 10:52:29 AM

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#129754: Jul 10th 2021 at 4:07:07 AM

[up]Yeah, maybe because once she got her power the rest was a forgone conclusion.

And the best fights......

I will said Ironman 1, it was clunky in a good way and I feel it was tony giving EVERYTHING to win.

Bucky vs cap the first time in the highway.

Cap and Bucky vs Tony

Yellowjacket vs Antman

Strange Vs thanos.

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GNinja The Element of Hyperbole. from The deepest, darkest corner of his mind. Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
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#129755: Jul 10th 2021 at 4:17:40 AM

I like most of the fights in Infinity War to be honest.

I almost like the final battle in Endgame, but I've always been a bit distracted by how... contrived it feels. It's like they wanted to have their cake and eat it too. They wanted Thor to abruptly kill Thanos in a shocking way near the beginning of the film, but they ALSO wanted a climactic fight with Thanos as well. So they bring in this version of Thanos that doesn't have ANY of the character development he went through in Infinity War, and then they kick his ass. It's very odd.

Like, imagine the Thanos who killed his daughter, scarred himself, and then went off to live on a farm being the one to fade away into dust at the end of a long, hard-fought battle, realizing that everything he's done was all for naught.

Edited by GNinja on Jul 10th 2021 at 11:20:19 AM

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Don't want to leave but cannot pretend
#129756: Jul 10th 2021 at 4:29:31 AM

The Endgame fight was weird in a way that stuck with me: Thor’s hammer is super user-friendly. Like, Steve knew how to use the hammer to conjure lighting within seconds of holding it? The Hel?

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#129758: Jul 10th 2021 at 4:36:55 AM

I think my favourite part of the Endgame fight was when Thanos blasted Captain Marvel away using the Gem of Destruction.

For the incredibly petty reason that I don't like overpowered heroes, of which Captain Marvel is definitely one, and I was happy that someone was able to get one over on her for at least a little while.

I'm still not sure how her power is going to be handled in Captain Marvel 2.

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#129759: Jul 10th 2021 at 4:46:15 AM

My favorite fights in the MCU are pretty much every fight in Thor: Ragnarok, all of the fights on Titan from Infinity War, and the elevator fight scene from Winter Soldier.

I'll second Thanos existing as the best MCU meme.

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God_of_Awesome Since: Jan, 2001
#129760: Jul 10th 2021 at 4:57:00 AM

[up][up]I'm fine with OP heroes but I liked that moment too. It was clever and quickly thought out but, in a way, a feat for Carol that "So OP, ya need to pull out the Universe's Laser Gem to get her off your back".

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#129761: Jul 10th 2021 at 5:15:03 AM

[up][up][up] Probably a combination of dealing with a threat she can't just punch (her perception and reflexes are still within the normal human range) and the bad guys having explicit countermeasures.

The Kree already had a power limiter on her for most of her movie. even if it ultimately proven ineffective at containing her power, it does show that in principle it's possible to counteract it.

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#129762: Jul 10th 2021 at 5:59:03 AM

Yes, my favorite scene in Captain Marvel is when she breaks free of the Supreme Intelligence. That is the emotional climax of the film. Everything after is assorted cleanup. The space battle is a demonstration of absolute power to force the Kree to retreat. There had to be a scene like that in the film to show just how godlike Carol is.

It's important to realize that Captain Marvel follows a different formula than most superhero origin stories. The vast majority of them are characters discovering or earning their powers and growing into the heroic mindset. With Carol, she already has her powers and her mindset but is brainwashed and power limited. Her arc is in remembering who she is.

Her confrontation with Thanos in Endgame is one of my favorite scenes in that film. The realization that she is a cosmic-level threat requires him to pull a dirty trick with the Power stone. That said, Wanda's fight with him is far more emotionally resonant given the personal loss he inflicted on her.

Edited by Fighteer on Jul 10th 2021 at 8:59:47 AM

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#129763: Jul 10th 2021 at 6:22:13 AM

The Ironman films do have some great fights as Tony is a lot less confident and more improvisional and scrappy in a lot of his fights.

One eliment of the Endgame fight I enjoy is just how over confident 2014 Thanos is. He goes in thinking he's enevitable and then the most bizzare assortment of weirdos who know him inside out but he's got no idea about just put him through the ringer.

There's some SLIGHT frustration in his voice when he tells Wanda "I don't even know who you are" and it says me.

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#129764: Jul 10th 2021 at 6:46:54 AM

I like Strange and then Tony’s back to back one on ones with Thanos on Titan

Seeing Tony pull out all the stops desperate to beat his personal boogyman and seeing Dr Strange pull some sorcerer supreme worthy moves makes it pretty memorable

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RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#129765: Jul 10th 2021 at 7:57:36 AM

Best fight in the MCU? That's easy:

"Puny god."

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Foreign Troper
#129766: Jul 10th 2021 at 8:07:38 AM

The battle on Titan is my favorite MCU fight, definitely. Tony is particular gave it his best, despite being hopelessly outmatched.

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Doctor of Doctorates
#129767: Jul 10th 2021 at 8:20:20 AM

I like Thor Vs Hulk in Ragnarok,if only because the tone, personalities and venue of the fight all make the whole "two super strong brawlers smacking the **** out of each other" actually fit rather than being squeezed in for the sake of it.

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#129768: Jul 10th 2021 at 8:33:10 AM

BW nabs $39.5 million on Friday. Now estimated to open with $89 million this weekend.

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#129769: Jul 10th 2021 at 8:47:53 AM

That’s nearly halfway to its stated budget.

Is that a good opening?

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Mario1995 The Dishonorable from Atlanta Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
The Dishonorable
#129770: Jul 10th 2021 at 9:03:13 AM

[up]Depends on the second weekend. If it drops 60%+, then that's a problem.

Edited by Mario1995 on Jul 10th 2021 at 12:03:23 PM

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Akirakan Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#129771: Jul 10th 2021 at 10:20:38 AM

Considering:

a) Pandemic.

b) People watching it on Disney+

It's not too bad. It would be the highest opening for a movie during the pandemic.

Krory Since: Aug, 2012
#129772: Jul 10th 2021 at 10:22:57 AM

Yeah. In my area, theatres are only allowing about 50% max capacity, so there's no way this was ever going to make 2019 MCU money.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#129773: Jul 10th 2021 at 10:55:50 AM

So question for people who've watched Black Widow, does Taskmaster use much of any fighting styles of other MCU super heroes? Because he doesn't look like he's got his energy weapons in the trailers which I imagine limits him a fair bit.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#129774: Jul 10th 2021 at 11:05:22 AM

From what I recall from trailers he used Hawkeye’s archery, Cap’s shield, BP’s claws as well as his and possibly Spider-Man’s acrobatics.

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#129775: Jul 10th 2021 at 11:12:35 AM

Taskmaster is described to be capable of mimicking every person they see, so Natasha's fighting style is also used against her.


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