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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#129676: Jul 9th 2021 at 11:49:15 AM

At least you get to see it then

Who knows when ill end up seeing it with how uh you know is affecting my country...

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#129677: Jul 9th 2021 at 11:52:03 AM

I haven't seen the movie yet, but something that struck me about Taskmaster - Isn't the version in the movie pretty similar to the MCU version of Ghost? Not just the Gender Flip, but also the aspect of being forced to be involved in wetwork from a young age.

EmeraldEmperor Lies and Violence! Since: Oct, 2020
Lies and Violence!
#129678: Jul 9th 2021 at 11:56:37 AM

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1. Please, it's the internet. The only reason you haven't seen any criticism is because the movie's only been out for a few hours. Give it some time.

2. So? Yes, it was lazy writing, but you can still do things with their similarities. Like, I don't know, the scenario I just lined out. Hope they get to interact.

3. I'm not saying "Obviously it makes sense, you're all idiots if you don't understand!" (please read that in the most snooty voice possible for the full effect). I understood what they were going for, and while I know many won't like it I personally didn't mind. Would I have preferred a more accurate Taskmaster? Sure, but I didn't mind this one.

Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Pet Owner
#129679: Jul 9th 2021 at 12:00:54 PM

My issue is they did Winter Soldier with Taskmaster except Bucky had a bit more personality breaking from Hydra's control for moments.

Just Makima.
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#129680: Jul 9th 2021 at 12:50:22 PM

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You could argue the process was less refined with Bucky, hence his occasionally breaking control. That and seeing Steve might have helped.

So yeah. I saw it. I went through three theories on who Taskmaster was. First I immediately assumed he was a she, based on her being activated in the Red Room. Second I thought it was Melina, since I could remember if they were ever seen together in the trailers. Finally I struck gold with realizing it was Dreykov's daughter.

Yelena was indeed gold, but the fact she's now trying to kill Clint is worrying. Wondering if her and Walker will be part of some kind of team. We got the new Black Widow, and the US Agent / ex-Captain America. They've certainly got the beginnings of the Dark Avengers.

One Strip! One Strip!
Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#129681: Jul 9th 2021 at 1:20:12 PM

There is little to zero chance of Taskmistress 'evolving' into the sassy badass that is the male Taskmaster from 616 and other mediums, let's not kid ourselves . Marvel always waste these characters or end up using them in even worse ways

Sometimes Marvel Studios simply don't know when to read the room, and this is one of those times. Not everything needs to have a twist like this, and it's perfectly fine to complain about it without being labelled a sexist. If you're ignored for it, fine, 'ignorance is bliss' after all, but at least you're not being quiet and munching your popcorn while they pull stupid crap like this, pretending everything the MCU or this ongoing and now so-predictably boring Hollywood agenda does is critic-proof. People are tired of this, and they're letting them and their fanboys know it

Edited by Zarius on Jul 9th 2021 at 1:27:28 AM

djoki996 Since: Dec, 2018
#129682: Jul 9th 2021 at 1:34:10 PM

"Hollywood agenda". Give me a break. They- and especially Disney- don't have an agenda that's not already mainstream. They're too scared to even call Taiwan a country.

Edited by djoki996 on Jul 9th 2021 at 1:34:56 AM

EmeraldEmperor Lies and Violence! Since: Oct, 2020
Lies and Violence!
#129683: Jul 9th 2021 at 1:39:31 PM

I know. Again, I'm not saying it's perfect, there are definite flaws and I would much rather have had a more accurate version. But, for what we got, I'm fine with it.

Will she become a perfect adaptation? No, obviously not. But there's no harm in theorizing how she might become relatively more in line with her comics counterpart, especially after Zemo became badass after his bland introduction in Civil War.

And no, I'm not saying all people who dislike the twist are sexist. Some will just find it predictable and not add much to the story. But let's not kid ourselves, about a hundred internet trolls who haven't even seen the movie yet are already making videos about how the character's been "ruined."

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Goku Black
#129684: Jul 9th 2021 at 1:40:14 PM

Right-wing geeks suck.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#129685: Jul 9th 2021 at 1:58:11 PM

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She could re-name herself Finesse? I actually think their version of Taskmaster is a Composite Character with her, considering the Gender Flip.

One Strip! One Strip!
AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
Look, just be decent to one another ok?
#129686: Jul 9th 2021 at 1:58:31 PM

There's a podcast duo I follow with a side project that mocks comic book clickbait. Naturally, they take the piss out of a whole bunch of nakedly sexist, right-wing conspiracy-wanking articles that rail against this perceived "woke agenda" in media. It's got me with a lot of thoughts in my mind, mostly how hilarious yet sad this whole display is, but also "you know, it'd be nice if these chucklefucks could take this energy and rage and channel it towards being mad at the ACTUALLY bad things Hollywood and the entertainment industry at large does.".

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Mario1995 The Dishonorable from Atlanta Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
The Dishonorable
#129687: Jul 9th 2021 at 2:07:19 PM

Pretty impressed. What struck me was how Dreykov stood out from other MCU villains in having no super or technological powers (not to mention less screen time), yet committed enough atrocities to make him a convincingly vile villain. Manipulating young girls into becoming assassins, forcing a Widow to kill herself when she's free from his influence, mind raping his own daughter and turning her into Taskmaster. Yeah, he's pretty scary. That's not even getting into him having Natasha's biological mother murdered.

Edited by Mario1995 on Jul 9th 2021 at 5:08:30 AM

"The devil's got all the good gear. What's God got? The Inspiral Carpets and nuns. Fuck that." - Liam Gallagher
Whowho Since: May, 2012
#129688: Jul 9th 2021 at 2:14:31 PM

[up][up] would that be The Weekly Planet? Or is there another podcasting duo with a side project of mocking click bait.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#129689: Jul 9th 2021 at 2:15:51 PM

The reason the Winter Soldier situation works as well as it does is because we got to know what Bucky was like and his relationship with Steve before his life got ruined. We have a concrete idea of what was taken from him in the process, and therefore also some idea of where he can go afterwards. Yes, the montage of his torture was very well done and acted to sell you on how being treated like that is inherently horrifying by its lonesome.

But it's not a thing you can replicate willy-nilly, even if you make the torture even more nightmarish. Torture is but one ingredient in the recipe of an effective take on the archetype. Tasky's issue is that she doesn't seem to have some kind of other interesting spin to make her feel like more than Diet Bucky. And of all the possible different angles that could've been explored with her... tons of fanfiction has probably already looked at that with Bucky, or more.

Edited by AlleyOop on Jul 9th 2021 at 5:22:10 AM

AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
Look, just be decent to one another ok?
#129690: Jul 9th 2021 at 2:21:46 PM

[up][up]I do mean The Weekly Planet, yes.

Self-serious autistic trans gal who loves rock/metal and animation with all her heart. (she/her)
EmeraldEmperor Lies and Violence! Since: Oct, 2020
Lies and Violence!
#129691: Jul 9th 2021 at 2:22:06 PM

I feel I should clarify I don't love this Taskmaster. I thought the fight scenes were cool, I don't really care one way or another that she's a girl, I'm happy she survived, and I'm hoping she'll become more faithful like Zemo did. Otherwise, I completely agree with the other criticisms.

To maybe get on another topic: did Red Guardian actually fight a Captain America, not Steve Rogers but someone like Isaiah? David Harbour apparently stated that all his stories are true, so maybe there was a William Burnside we've yet to meet?

Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Pet Owner
#129692: Jul 9th 2021 at 2:42:48 PM

I thought with the brainwashing gone she won't be a villain. Unless they make her some antihero rogue.

Just Makima.
Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#129693: Jul 9th 2021 at 3:13:57 PM

Do we need a Black Widow spoiler thread?

HBarnill Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: All is for my lord
#129694: Jul 9th 2021 at 3:22:36 PM

Of course those kind of people infiltrate these discussions. It makes it harder for us to talk without seemingly being biased.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#129695: Jul 9th 2021 at 3:25:22 PM

I feel like I should keep out of this thread until Monday.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
jouXIII The One Who Knows Many Things from Between the Multiverses (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
The One Who Knows Many Things
#129696: Jul 9th 2021 at 3:48:10 PM

[up]That probably would be for the best, I did the same before today.


Saw Black Widow today, and I did enjoy it.

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Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#129697: Jul 9th 2021 at 4:33:33 PM

Yeah a fresh thread would be a good idea, both to enable people here to avoid Black Widow spoilers and to enable people to discuss Black Widow without worry about being spoiler for other MCU stuff.

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AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
Look, just be decent to one another ok?
#129698: Jul 9th 2021 at 4:40:47 PM

Here ya go.

Self-serious autistic trans gal who loves rock/metal and animation with all her heart. (she/her)
FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#129699: Jul 9th 2021 at 7:29:10 PM

What's been the most meme-able Marvel Cinematic Universe moment from a film thus far?

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#129700: Jul 9th 2021 at 7:36:04 PM

[up]"I understood that reference" probably, said what you want about joss wheadon(and there is a lot) but so is flim are really memable.

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