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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#129626: Jul 4th 2021 at 12:46:19 PM

Agent Carter and the Netflix seires surprise me, as they slit into continuity so easily.

I imagine Marvel could recast the Netflix characters but I don't think they could do oragins again for any of them, because it's been done too well and too recently. So they'd just have to treat these characters as established in the setting. So they might as well continue with broad strokes.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#129627: Jul 4th 2021 at 12:51:43 PM

Everything by Marvel TV I understand, but Agent Carter was made specifically by Marvel Studios, and thus would be the one work that would be allowed to remain in-canon (I can deal with Season 2 being excised from continuity as it was a big step down in quality but hell, Jarvis appeared in Endgame which seems like a strong implication of Broad Strokes canon). I still wonder if maybe Gunn is slightly misinformed on that specific part, since it's already a known fact that Marvel Studios has intra-communication issues.

Edited by AlleyOop on Jul 4th 2021 at 5:38:19 AM

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#129628: Jul 4th 2021 at 1:31:59 PM

So wait this came from James Gunn. I love Gunn but he is just one of the many directors and not part of the higher ups of Marvel. I am personally going to wait until someone higher up confirms it. I buy it but I want to hold on to a little hope. I am not surprised though.

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#129629: Jul 4th 2021 at 1:34:15 PM

The four stages of fan grief,first there is anger and then denial..

Edited by Ultimatum on Jul 4th 2021 at 8:37:00 AM

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Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#129630: Jul 4th 2021 at 2:05:22 PM

I've honestly been on the side of acceptance for a while now. Probably because I'm used to the concept of this sort of thing thanks to Star Wars Legends.

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Altris from the Vortex Since: Aug, 2019 Relationship Status: Not caught up in your love affair
#129631: Jul 4th 2021 at 2:14:34 PM

I knew it was probably going to happen soon, but I'm still disappointed.

So, let's hang an anchor from the sun... also my Tumblr
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#129632: Jul 4th 2021 at 2:28:18 PM

Star Wars Legends is a vastly different kettle of fish,you've got an entire expanded universe (or EU for short,hate that acronym) that Disney decided to put to the torch, I figure the marvel tv shows were more widely accepted by the fans as they were still in similar medium to the movies,where as the expanded universe in Star Wars were literature of varying quality

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Akirakan Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#129633: Jul 4th 2021 at 5:34:37 PM

The way the tv shows would be decanonized would be the same way Lucas treated the original EU, though.

Lucas mentioned that he had never read any of the eu. At best if he had a idea for something there was a encyclopedia that he would consult to see if something similar had been done and use that, but he even explicitly stated that he considered all that material to be a alternate universe.

There are two worlds here; There's my world, which is the movies, and there's this other world that has been created, which I say is the parallel universe — the licensing world of the books, games and comic books.

– George Lucas, Cinescape, July 2001

The rule at Lucasfilm before the Disney buy-out was to try to remain consistent, but if Lucas does something in the movies that contradicts some of the established eu then that material would no longer be canon.

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#129634: Jul 5th 2021 at 5:13:52 AM

Well, we all knew it, but nobody wanted to say it. Whatever, AOS can still be a cool Alternate Universe thing.

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#129635: Jul 5th 2021 at 9:11:26 AM

I feel like both Wandavision and the first episode of Loki should’ve removed any doubt about how Marvel views AOS.

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Goku Black
#129636: Jul 5th 2021 at 9:34:49 AM

I mean again no one in marvel studios worked on these shows and them existing means they can't use any characters they used like Gavitron or absorbing man.

So I can understand.

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dmcreif Vault Dweller from Vault 33 (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Robosexual
Vault Dweller
#129637: Jul 5th 2021 at 10:01:49 AM

I imagine Marvel could recast the Netflix characters but I don't think they could do oragins again for any of them, because it's been done too well and too recently. So they'd just have to treat these characters as established in the setting. So they might as well continue with broad strokes.

I doubt they'll do that.

In the comics, there are tons of universe-impacting events that aren't reflected in every single comic under the publication. Sometimes they do, but sometimes they don't. When they don't, I just assume they didn't have anything in mind for that working in tandem with this. It's more like "This character/team isn't part of this story" and they don't have to be accounted for because universes are big and timelines are fluid. Even the MCU timeline itself, which is way more streamlined and condensed than the comic lore, has been very dynamically changed as it has gone along.

It is also worth noting that the writers of Infinity War said they considered using TV characters at the time but knew (which I agree with) that it just wouldn't be a good decision or proper way to introduce them to the larger movie audience, who would just be confused as to who they are.

I personally am of the opinion that Kevin Feige wants to have his cake and eat it too regarding canon, meaning that he will never outright confirm or deny something being canon because he prefers to simply pick and choose what characters and plot threads he wants to work with when he's giving final word on it being worked off of in a script. I mean just look at The Incredible Hulk from 2008. That movie presents itself as a soft reboot of the Ang Lee Hulk from five years prior. It wasn't fully committed to or marketed as such because Feige knows the bad reputation the film had, but it was still played off of enough that people who did like that film and saw the 2008 Hulk would feel like they were familiar with things going on. I think Feige will do this same thing with any of the pre-Disney Plus television characters if he sees value in it. The fact that Feige has been open to the Sonyverse and Foxverse stuff being part of the MCU says to me that he only really cares about the financial gain from appealing to fans. After all, at the end of the day, money talks.

Also, as far as Gunn is concerned, the pre-Disney+ shows aren't canon because there wasn't any real coordination between Marvel TV and Marvel Studios. He acknowledges that the shows did take things from the movies, but for him, as he literally works at Marvel, coordination is key. Now that Feige controls everything, there's actual coordination between the shows and the movies, something that really didn't exist before, especially after 2016. A good example of this is Captain America: Civil War casting Alfre Woodard as Miriam Sharpe without knowing she was already playing Mariah Dillard in Luke Cage (2016). For the content of the shows, Marvel TV pretty much did their own thing within the confinements of the movies.

Edited by dmcreif on Jul 5th 2021 at 2:30:34 PM

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123tbones Since: Aug, 2015
#129638: Jul 6th 2021 at 9:29:03 AM

You know what I just found out today?

Doctor Strange's actor, Benedict Cumberbatch, has a mother who's first name is Wanda. And Doctor Strange is going to be working directly with Wanda Maximoff in Doctor Strange 2.

Coincidence? I think not!

Anddrix Since: Oct, 2014
#129639: Jul 7th 2021 at 6:05:07 AM

Just got back from seeing Black Widow (2021).

To make a long story short; I enjoyed it. On a scale of 1 to 5 stars, it's a solid 3 and a half stars.

Although between this, Jem and the Holograms and Pitch Perfect 3, someone really needs to tell filmmakers they can't have My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic toys in scenes set before 2010.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#129640: Jul 7th 2021 at 6:13:45 AM

If you were going to give me a reason to go see it, what would it be?

Anddrix Since: Oct, 2014
#129641: Jul 7th 2021 at 6:22:30 AM

[up]Surprisingly brutal action scenes, and Florence Pugh's performance as Yelena Belova (she and Scarlett Johansson have such good chemistry with eachother).

EmeraldEmperor Lies and Violence! Since: Oct, 2020
Lies and Violence!
#129642: Jul 7th 2021 at 6:30:30 AM

Was Taskmaster good? Like, I've seen leaks and read reviews, so I know I shouldn't expect to be blown away, but were they still enjoyable?

Anddrix Since: Oct, 2014
#129643: Jul 7th 2021 at 6:46:36 AM

[up]Action scene-wise Taskmaster's fine.

Personality wise... the character's is pretty much a blankslate (deliberately for plot related reasons), although the movie does leave it open for the character to return in future movies with more development.

This is definitely one of the MCU entries where the film is carried more by the protagonists than the antagonists.

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#129644: Jul 7th 2021 at 6:57:18 AM

How did you watch it?

I thought it's only coming out on the 9th.

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Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#129646: Jul 7th 2021 at 7:04:22 AM

[up][up] There's a few screenings going on in England, one was in Leicester Square at Vue Cinema

Post credit scene was spoiled on one site.

Edited by Zarius on Jul 7th 2021 at 7:04:48 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#129647: Jul 7th 2021 at 11:57:13 AM

[up][up][up][up] Okay so Tasky’s not dead, that’s good at least.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#129648: Jul 7th 2021 at 3:22:20 PM

I've seen some people compare it to The Winter Soldier in tone. That's a pretty high bar in many regards, so would you say the fights live up at least?

chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
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#129649: Jul 7th 2021 at 5:05:53 PM

I'm curious if the movie addresses the whole "forcibly sterilized" part of Natasha's origin as shown in ''Age of Ultron" or if we're all just gonna continue to quietly ignore that part.

lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
The sleepiest good boi
#129650: Jul 7th 2021 at 5:06:48 PM

I legitimately forgot that was a thing, so sure, continue to ignore it.

Edited by lbssb on Jul 7th 2021 at 5:07:04 AM

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