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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#129601: Jul 1st 2021 at 9:52:15 PM

Ha!

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Don't want to leave but cannot pretend
#129602: Jul 1st 2021 at 9:54:23 PM

HahahahahahahaHAHAHAHAHAHA!

..What are we laughing at?

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Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#129603: Jul 1st 2021 at 9:56:29 PM

Funny thing is that you cant trust the LEGO sets. They lie. I know because I own the Iron Man 3 Madarin in a super tank set.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#129604: Jul 1st 2021 at 10:00:42 PM

LEGO's been issuing fake sets with fake scenes for years, mostly because they used to spoil things left and right and people started complaining.

That said, usually the appearances of characters are on point, just not what's actually in the scenes themselves.

Mysterium I am you from Winden Since: Mar, 2020 Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
I am you
#129605: Jul 1st 2021 at 11:37:53 PM

In either way, I wonder if countries will openly show distrust in the US.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#129606: Jul 1st 2021 at 11:40:49 PM

Hey we can prolly do a Liberators arc.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Akirakan Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#129607: Jul 2nd 2021 at 6:51:53 AM

New Far From Home merch revealed... including a brand new costume (different than the one of yesterday).

Interestingly, one of the costumes seems to be powered by Strange's powers.

Edited by Akirakan on Jul 2nd 2021 at 8:52:55 AM

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#129608: Jul 2nd 2021 at 2:23:16 PM

[up] I didn't realize it until I saw one of the replies, but the black and gold suit looks a lot like the Anti-Ock suit from the PS4 Spider-Man game!

Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#129609: Jul 2nd 2021 at 3:47:24 PM

[up] Personally, I think it more closely resembles the Uptown Pride suit from Miles Morales.

Cronosonic (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#129610: Jul 4th 2021 at 8:29:55 AM

James Gunn says that the pre-Wandavision TV stuff is no longer canon to the MCU.

I expect a lot of salt and griping about this (case in point, the Twitter replies), but while this isn't from Feige himself, Gunn is still a huge creative figure in the MCU with a lot of insider knowledge, so until someone higher up on the chain says otherwise...

Edited by Cronosonic on Jul 5th 2021 at 1:31:42 AM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#129611: Jul 4th 2021 at 9:26:25 AM

Crap.

He's probably just saying what the rest of them refuse to.

I do wish they'd keep some of the stuff from early Agents of Shield in a Broad Strokes style, but it sounds like that split between the old TV and film sides just totally soured the pot.

C'est la vie AOS.

One Strip! One Strip!
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#129612: Jul 4th 2021 at 9:27:49 AM

I can understand excising AOS due to the potential continuity quagmire, but I feel bad for their efforts attempting to maintain continuity with the films being all for naught. Definitely not a fan of Agent Carter supposedly being retconned out, particularly the first season (although Jarvis appearing in Endgame may mean the Broad Strokes still apply. And while the Netflix series' continuity with the films was always tenuous, I do hope those actors can also at least retain the Broad Strokes of their history. The R rating really allowed them to tackle issues the rest of the franchise couldn't afford to and it was for the best.

Edited by AlleyOop on Jul 4th 2021 at 1:08:12 PM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#129613: Jul 4th 2021 at 9:31:37 AM

It's just having the inevitable confirmed.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#129614: Jul 4th 2021 at 9:54:16 AM

Yeah. Agents of Shield tried to work within the cracks, but the gaps between the movies and the show just got bigger due to the shit going on behind the scenes.

I imagine the stuff with the Inhumans was the first problem, with the results of the Snap basically being the final nail in the coffin (you can't change the fact that they had to ignore five years worth of change because they weren't even told about it).

They could have salvaged things if they'd ended Season 5, but then the show kept going without being given any context of the future.

I mostly blame Permulter, but I imagine just pointing fingers at him would miss a lot of things.

One Strip! One Strip!
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#129615: Jul 4th 2021 at 9:58:30 AM

I still say Vin Diesal should Black Bolt if they ever do him again.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#129616: Jul 4th 2021 at 10:03:45 AM

So, I guess they're all Time Variants?

... I'm sorry. sad

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#129617: Jul 4th 2021 at 10:07:37 AM

Pruned...

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#129618: Jul 4th 2021 at 10:45:35 AM

But isn't he already Groot?

The legend has returned.
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#129619: Jul 4th 2021 at 10:49:54 AM

Then again it seems like internal communication and coordination between actors, directors, writers, and executives throughout the MCU seems to be abysmally low in general. A lot of it is supposedly in the name of preventing spoilers, but just sounds deeply unhealthy for overall quality assurance.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#129620: Jul 4th 2021 at 10:51:59 AM

[up][up] Yeah but that’s a voice only role, he doesn’t actually physically portray someone.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#129621: Jul 4th 2021 at 10:52:19 AM

I'm bummed and a bit surprised by Agent Carter not being treated as canon.

But it makes sense to me that the tv shows wouldn't be treated as canonical, because there are a lot of concepts that the tv shows did that the MCU might want to use in the future. And it would be limiting if they couldn't use them / were bound by the tv show version of them.

For instance, with Ms. Marvel, there will (presumably) be some Kree/Inhuman stuff that can't really be connected with the previous shows. Because Kamala will get her powers now, not x-many years ago when Daisy did.

Or like I'm not saying that this necessarily will happen, but Shang Chi might want to introduce Iron Fist-related stuff that isn't bound by the Netflix shows.

Or like although this one is also complicated by the Patton Oswald show, the MCU woudln't want to be prevented from doing Modok because of a version of Modok appearing in AOS.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#129622: Jul 4th 2021 at 11:04:03 AM

I suppose they might want to make use of Absorbing Man as well, which is another thing Agents of Shield kinda screwed them out of.

Graviton and Glen Talbot as well.

Why was there such a huge divide between the films and the original TV side in the first place? I can't actually remember what the deal was.

I know it's probably Permulter's fault though, as is often the case with these things, but I'd prefer to be sure.

One Strip! One Strip!
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#129623: Jul 4th 2021 at 11:06:44 AM

> Yeah but that’s a voice only role, he doesn’t actually physically portray someone.

saying that undersells voice actor's work

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#129624: Jul 4th 2021 at 11:18:14 AM

Which isn’t my intention.

Just that Gemma Chan is now playing Sersi in Eternals after playing Minn-Ervin in Captain Marvel. So the MCU isn’t totally averse to having some actors play different characters.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Cronosonic (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#129625: Jul 4th 2021 at 11:18:55 AM

[up][up][up] Pretty much Perlmutter, yeah. There was going to be more coordination between film and TV, but Kevin Feige and the rest of Marvel Studios hated working for Perlmutter and the Marvel Creative Committee so much (to the point where it nearly killed the MCU entirely) that Feige got Alan Horn to hand him full unconditional control of Marvel Studios entirely in 2015, only answering to Horn himself. After that, it's understandable that Feige and his team wanted absolutely nothing to do with anything under Perlmutter's perview, which included Marvel Television, so anything pre-Wandavision was immediately in canonical limbo. It's also why Inhumans got downgraded to a crappy TV show rather than a film, Inhumans was a Perlmutter mandate in exchange for actually producing Black Panther and Captain Marvel, and it's telling that Feige dropped it like a hot potato at the first opportunity.

Sure, it sucks that studio politics killed the first major attempt by Marvel to expand the MCU properly into TV, but from what I understand the alternative scenario where Feige wasn't given control of Marvel Studios would've been so, so so much worse and likely would've killed the MCU project entirely.

Edited by Cronosonic on Jul 5th 2021 at 4:28:06 AM


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