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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Interestingly, one of the costumes seems to be powered by Strange's powers.
Edited by Akirakan on Jul 2nd 2021 at 8:52:55 AM
James Gunn says that the pre-Wandavision TV stuff is no longer canon to the MCU.
I expect a lot of salt and griping about this (case in point, the Twitter replies), but while this isn't from Feige himself, Gunn is still a huge creative figure in the MCU with a lot of insider knowledge, so until someone higher up on the chain says otherwise...
Edited by Cronosonic on Jul 5th 2021 at 1:31:42 AM
Crap.
He's probably just saying what the rest of them refuse to.
I do wish they'd keep some of the stuff from early Agents of Shield in a Broad Strokes style, but it sounds like that split between the old TV and film sides just totally soured the pot.
C'est la vie AOS.
One Strip! One Strip!I can understand excising AOS due to the potential continuity quagmire, but I feel bad for their efforts attempting to maintain continuity with the films being all for naught. Definitely not a fan of Agent Carter supposedly being retconned out, particularly the first season (although Jarvis appearing in Endgame may mean the Broad Strokes still apply. And while the Netflix series' continuity with the films was always tenuous, I do hope those actors can also at least retain the Broad Strokes of their history. The R rating really allowed them to tackle issues the rest of the franchise couldn't afford to and it was for the best.
Edited by AlleyOop on Jul 4th 2021 at 1:08:12 PM
Yeah. Agents of Shield tried to work within the cracks, but the gaps between the movies and the show just got bigger due to the shit going on behind the scenes.
I imagine the stuff with the Inhumans was the first problem, with the results of the Snap basically being the final nail in the coffin (you can't change the fact that they had to ignore five years worth of change because they weren't even told about it).
They could have salvaged things if they'd ended Season 5, but then the show kept going without being given any context of the future.
I mostly blame Permulter, but I imagine just pointing fingers at him would miss a lot of things.
One Strip! One Strip!I'm bummed and a bit surprised by Agent Carter not being treated as canon.
But it makes sense to me that the tv shows wouldn't be treated as canonical, because there are a lot of concepts that the tv shows did that the MCU might want to use in the future. And it would be limiting if they couldn't use them / were bound by the tv show version of them.
For instance, with Ms. Marvel, there will (presumably) be some Kree/Inhuman stuff that can't really be connected with the previous shows. Because Kamala will get her powers now, not x-many years ago when Daisy did.
Or like I'm not saying that this necessarily will happen, but Shang Chi might want to introduce Iron Fist-related stuff that isn't bound by the Netflix shows.
Or like although this one is also complicated by the Patton Oswald show, the MCU woudln't want to be prevented from doing Modok because of a version of Modok appearing in AOS.
I suppose they might want to make use of Absorbing Man as well, which is another thing Agents of Shield kinda screwed them out of.
Graviton and Glen Talbot as well.
Why was there such a huge divide between the films and the original TV side in the first place? I can't actually remember what the deal was.
I know it's probably Permulter's fault though, as is often the case with these things, but I'd prefer to be sure.
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Pretty much Perlmutter, yeah. There was going to be more coordination between film and TV, but Kevin Feige and the rest of Marvel Studios hated working for Perlmutter and the Marvel Creative Committee so much (to the point where it nearly killed the MCU entirely) that Feige got Alan Horn to hand him full unconditional control of Marvel Studios entirely in 2015, only answering to Horn himself. After that, it's understandable that Feige and his team wanted absolutely nothing to do with anything under Perlmutter's perview, which included Marvel Television, so anything pre-Wandavision was immediately in canonical limbo. It's also why Inhumans got downgraded to a crappy TV show rather than a film, Inhumans was a Perlmutter mandate in exchange for actually producing Black Panther and Captain Marvel, and it's telling that Feige dropped it like a hot potato at the first opportunity.
Sure, it sucks that studio politics killed the first major attempt by Marvel to expand the MCU properly into TV, but from what I understand the alternative scenario where Feige wasn't given control of Marvel Studios would've been so, so so much worse and likely would've killed the MCU project entirely.
Edited by Cronosonic on Jul 5th 2021 at 4:28:06 AM

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