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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#129576: Jul 1st 2021 at 6:54:29 AM

Doom is probably helped by being possibly Marvel's most popular villain. Hence why he appears so much

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#129577: Jul 1st 2021 at 7:56:33 AM

Yeah, Doom has fought most of the Marvel universe and while RICHARDS!!!!! is his arch-enemy, he is generally a Marvel universe wide Big Bad instead of just obsessing over Reed and the Fantastic 4.

You know like Norman over Spidey. Hell the moment Norman decided to play for the big leagues he graduated to Avengers level threat.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Jul 1st 2021 at 10:56:57 AM

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Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
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#129578: Jul 1st 2021 at 8:14:28 AM

I feel like Magneto may or may not outrank Doom in popularity since Doom only shows up a ton in games and cartoons.

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#129579: Jul 1st 2021 at 8:17:47 AM

Slott's Spider-Man ends of the earth arc briefly promoted the Sinister Six to an Avengers level threat, albeit with a lot of prep time.

But honestly it makes sense for them to be that level. Not necessarily when the Avengers have a stacked deck of the most powerful people but your more typical roster that has a mix.

Hell, if fucking Grim Reaper can solo an Avengers team, the Sinister Six should be able to put up a fight.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#129580: Jul 1st 2021 at 8:23:46 AM

What's interesting about Doom is that he only ever becomes a top tier threat by exploiting the powers of other beings. Whether it's stealing power from the Beyonder or the Silver Surfer, using Purple Man to mind control the world, using the Molecule Man to establish himself as the god of a new universe...

Doom's basically a parasite.

Edited by M84 on Jul 1st 2021 at 11:24:05 PM

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#129581: Jul 1st 2021 at 8:29:55 AM

I still want a comic where Spider-Man fights Magneto. We've been shown multiple times that Spider-Man can solo an X-Men team. Fighting Magneto is the natural extension of that.

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#129582: Jul 1st 2021 at 8:36:31 AM

[up][up]Sometimes all you need to get on top is manipulating and stealing the abilities of others.

Like a true Magnificent Bastard.

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#129583: Jul 1st 2021 at 8:42:28 AM

They fought in Acts of Vengeance but with a couple of caveats.

The biggest of which is that Spider-Man was Captain Universe at the time. But also Magneto was just testing to see if Spider-Man was a mutant and when he became convinced he wasn't, he just fucked off.

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#129584: Jul 1st 2021 at 10:25:35 AM

[up][up][up] Ultimate Peter HAS fought his universe's Magneto if that is close enough.

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#129586: Jul 1st 2021 at 10:49:11 AM

Magneto would put Peter Parker in a hospital bed!

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#129587: Jul 1st 2021 at 10:49:40 AM

It wouldn’t be off to a great start once Magneto yoinked his webshooters no

Edited by Bocaj on Jul 1st 2021 at 1:56:22 PM

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#129588: Jul 1st 2021 at 10:51:53 AM

I'm sure Peter Parker can make plastic webshooters specifically to counter Magneto.

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#129589: Jul 1st 2021 at 10:57:27 AM

Ah shit, he has a mockingjay pin figurine on his shelf.

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#129590: Jul 1st 2021 at 10:58:54 AM

> I'm sure Peter Parker can make plastic webshooters specifically to counter Magneto.

I'm just picturing Magneto trying flatten Peter with a giant boot

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Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#129591: Jul 1st 2021 at 10:58:59 AM

@Comicwriter - First thought is that it's kind of similar to the Playstation suit. Second thought is that it looks weirdly similar to Captain Marvel's costume.

Edited by Hodor2 on Jul 1st 2021 at 1:14:20 PM

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The Head of the Hydra
#129592: Jul 1st 2021 at 11:02:45 AM

Wait is that the white spider-symbol from the Insomniac games?

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Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#129593: Jul 1st 2021 at 11:11:22 AM

[up]Looks more like a version of the gold colored emblem from the Iron Spider outfit. There’s definitely overlap though.

Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#129594: Jul 1st 2021 at 12:51:42 PM

Goddammit that suit's the absolute last thing that'd get the "Iron Man Jr." crowd to quiet down. I'd say I'm looking forward to the rage except I'm already running into some of it elsewhere, gagh.

Edited by Watchtower on Jul 1st 2021 at 3:54:16 PM

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#129595: Jul 1st 2021 at 2:36:30 PM

After watching Falcon & The Winter Soldier I had a certain feeling that Europe is treated mostly like a playground for the American "heroes". And after the scene at the end of episode 4, it isn't addressed that someone who not only wears the American banner, but was explicitely chosen by the American government and military may represent something when committing such an act in other countries, was it?

Edited by Mysterium on Jul 1st 2021 at 7:48:46 PM

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#129596: Jul 1st 2021 at 2:46:50 PM

Oh yeah, the sorkovia accords were meant to be about how the Avengers need government approval before they operate overseas right? Does that not count when Sam is working alone? Or has the Avengers properly disbanded?

Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#129597: Jul 1st 2021 at 3:22:23 PM

[up] I'm guessing the latter. Their senior leadership (and primary financial backer) are either dead or otherwise indisposed and their base of operations got blown up.

Edited by Aleistar on Jul 1st 2021 at 6:22:57 AM

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#129598: Jul 1st 2021 at 4:27:44 PM

I figure Avengers like Sam have gone back to their gray-area status they had before Civil War. With Tony and Vision dead and Rhodey formally defecting in the beginning of Endgame, there literally isn't a single Avenger left on Ross's side. Trying to arrest them is demonstrably more trouble than it's worth.

This whole Sokovia Accords thing ran its course, and it just didn't work out because the Avengers don't want to play ball like that. It's hard to get people with power to voluntarily relinquish their power. The fatal flaw in the Accords was simply the fact that it required the Avengers to willingly give up their autonomy, and if they don't want to, there's nothing anyone can do about it. Without Ross having his own set of Avengers, the Accords are unenforceable.

In TFATWS, we see that Sam works as a government contractor. He readily flies missions for the United States Air Force, though his contractor status means he can accept or reject work requests on a case by case basis, and he can still do his own thing when he sees fit. That's a compromise that the government may be reluctant to screw up by arresting him for Avenging.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jul 1st 2021 at 4:30:54 AM

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#129599: Jul 1st 2021 at 9:36:27 PM

Without Ross having his own set of Avengers, the Accords are unenforceable.

Which I really think is being set up for the future, particularly in Falcon and the Winter Soldier with Zemo and US Agent both working with the same shady government organization, as well as Abomination apparently having a (probably minor) role in Shang-Chi.

Either Thunderbolts or Dark Avengers, or both, or one with the name of the other. Hoping it'll be the subject of the next big Avengers movie.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Jul 1st 2021 at 9:37:42 AM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#129600: Jul 1st 2021 at 9:44:29 PM

wild mass guessThe Abomination went straight and now trains prizefighters were perfectly-legal-we-swear superpowered cage fights. His new business A-Boxing-Nation is really cleaning up.wild mass guess


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