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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#129151: Jun 16th 2021 at 10:54:34 AM

dont you dare insult ben like that

to be be clear Uncle ben is a saint in comparison to Yondu,who is a complete scoundrel

Edited by Ultimatum on Jun 16th 2021 at 5:55:37 PM

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Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#129152: Jun 16th 2021 at 11:18:19 AM

So Quill turned out worse.

That... tracks.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#129153: Jun 16th 2021 at 12:06:35 PM

I mean, even a shitty Quill managed to save numerous amounts of people twice.

Sure, Thanos rendered his first heroic act near pointless via just rolling in and shit stomping Xandar anyway, but he still has the whole stopped his psychopathic father from destroying the universe thing under his belt.

Now, he's still gotta pay for giving Thanos the opening to wreck things, and it's gotta be brutal, but I'm sure that will be addressed in Guardians 3.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#129154: Jun 16th 2021 at 12:08:15 PM

Scott Lang could certainly teach him a lesson in maturity.

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#129155: Jun 16th 2021 at 12:09:39 PM

Scott Lang, best dad in the MCU and a most mature fellow

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#129156: Jun 16th 2021 at 12:10:26 PM
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#129157: Jun 16th 2021 at 1:44:13 PM

Again, I'll point out that Quill matured plenty by the end of Guardians 2, enough so to be an arc-complete character without losing his goofy-uncle-esque charm.

IW and Endgame just regressed him to make a million jokes about him being emasculated by Thor, childishly argumentative with Gamora, or have his faux-reunion with her (who he thought was dead) be setup for a Groin Attack joke (which is actually kind of shitty when you think about it, amusing though Quill's comment is).

I'm hoping Guardians 3 will just kinda... pick Quill's character up where 2 left off and brush off some of his IW/Endgame behavior as the usual slight OOCness from being handled by different writers.

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#129158: Jun 16th 2021 at 1:52:48 PM

He transformed into a huge asshole.

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#129159: Jun 16th 2021 at 2:05:24 PM

It’s weird that Infinity War takes place 4 years after Guardians 2 and yet Quill is barely changed.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#129160: Jun 16th 2021 at 2:12:35 PM

Honestly, Quill backtracking as hard as he did is odd when you consider that James Gunn himself apparently came on to write for him to keep him on track didn't he?

At least I recall hearing that at the time.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#129161: Jun 16th 2021 at 2:15:19 PM

I find that hard to believe.

IW Quill feels like he was written by somebody who neither understood nor liked the character, and deliberately exaggerated his worst traits out of spite for being forced to write him.

Edited by Anomalocaris20 on Jun 16th 2021 at 5:15:54 AM

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chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
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#129162: Jun 16th 2021 at 2:37:20 PM

From what I can recall, Gunn mentioned one change he made was during the scene where Quill is about to shoot Gamora. In the original script, Quill ultimately doesn't pull trigger before Thanos takes her away. In the final movie, he changed it so Quill does pull the trigger, but Thanos uses the Reality Stone to turn his shot into some harmless bubbles.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#129163: Jun 16th 2021 at 2:39:18 PM

I've always liked the trait of Scott that he seems like a goofball and gets little respect from those around him who seem smarter, but in the end he actually tends to be more mature and responsible than those people even if he goes unrecognized for it.

It's at its strongest in Ant-Man 2, but it continues in Endgame so it looks like it was intentional.

AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
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#129164: Jun 16th 2021 at 5:50:15 PM

Yeah, I think that's my biggest mark against the two films, even if it is kinda biased. Mc Feely just failed to understand how to handle the Guardians outside of arguably Rocket and Nebula (and even then there's qualms to be had). If they weren't just plain written wrong then they were very under-utilized.

I think I've said this before, I'd be happy if the Guardians/Thanos parts of the films were just folded into Guardians 3 and he was disposed of there. I guess if I had my way all the way through with the execution then we wouldn't really even have another Avengers film but I care like 100x less about the Avengers than the Guardians and I don't think very highly of any of the Avengers films anyway. Also, it wouldn't ruin the ending to Thor: Ragnarok.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#129165: Jun 16th 2021 at 6:03:36 PM

While I have major issues with how a lot of characters were written, especially in Endgame, Rocket and Nebula were my favorite two characters from the original Guardians films, whereas I was largely indifferent to the others, so I wasn't sure how much of it was the writers not getting the characters and how much was just the characters already being annoying to me and the writers keeping them too in character for them to stop annoying me.

Similar to how technically it was Whedon who put his stamp on Widow and Hawkeye in the movies, but Widow becoming a significantly better character in the hands of the Russos and M&M for The Winter Soldier and Civil War, despite diverging significantly from their original characterizations.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#129166: Jun 16th 2021 at 6:03:55 PM

Well it’s a lot of characters in those 2 movies. Sadly can’t get every single one of them right.

Edited by slimcoder on Jun 16th 2021 at 6:04:52 AM

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#129167: Jun 16th 2021 at 6:13:31 PM

Many of the non-Avengers characters diverged from their prior portrayals in Infinity War and Endgame. For some like Doctor Strange, the new personality was more liked than the old one, for some like Spidey becoming a Stark fanboy again it was regressive but comfortably familiar, and then with the Guardians their poor writing really showed because their lovable dysfunction is very different from the characters McFeely, Markus, and the Russos typically write.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#129168: Jun 16th 2021 at 6:16:08 PM

[up][up] It becomes one when the batting average is low enough that you get a mix of usually wrong and only rarely right. Especially since Thor (who was admittedly quite good in IW, Asgard shenanigans aside, but downright unwatchable in EG, and spitting on the work Ragnarok did to get him Rescued from the Scrappy Heap) and the Guardians made up the lion's share of the screentime of IW.

Edited by AlleyOop on Jun 16th 2021 at 9:18:07 AM

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#129169: Jun 16th 2021 at 6:23:58 PM

Yeah arguably the only character that was better under Whedon was Hawkeye.

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HallowHawk Since: Feb, 2013
#129170: Jun 16th 2021 at 6:44:38 PM

[up] I don't recall anyone from Black Panther acting differently in Infinity War/Endgame as opposed to their home movie.

AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
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#129171: Jun 16th 2021 at 6:45:52 PM

Edited by AyyItsMidnight on Jun 16th 2021 at 6:50:37 AM

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HallowHawk Since: Feb, 2013
#129172: Jun 16th 2021 at 6:48:19 PM

[up] And I was responding to Bullman's "Same with Black Panther".

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#129173: Jun 16th 2021 at 7:07:50 PM

I meant most of the stuff that would define the character was introduced in his solo film like Spider-man. I thought that was pretty clear. What with the full thing saying, "Take MCU Spider-Man for example the Russo Brothers technically created the version, but most of what made this version a hit was introduced in his solo films. Same with Black Panther."

However, he was underutilized in both Avengers movies in my opinion. And for my money a lot more quippy.

Edited by Bullman on Jun 16th 2021 at 9:11:51 AM

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#129174: Jun 16th 2021 at 7:33:19 PM

[up]Yes, because God forbid Spider-Man be quippy.

EDIT: Misread that, you were referring to BP. Apologies.

Edited by lbssb on Jun 16th 2021 at 7:34:25 AM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#129175: Jun 16th 2021 at 7:35:02 PM

Wait hes less quippy in his home movies right?

Thats weird.

And in the case of BP I think he's more quippy in BP since he's not really driven by the all-consuming revenge he had in Civil War.

Edited by slimcoder on Jun 16th 2021 at 7:36:19 AM

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