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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#129126: Jun 15th 2021 at 12:22:26 PM

He grew up in Guardians 1 and especially 2.

The Infinity War writers just rolled back/ramped up his character to Manchild levels again. I get the impression it was done out of spite.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#129127: Jun 15th 2021 at 12:35:44 PM

Honestly as I think about it, yeah this is why I have a problem with the Guardians movie shilling, I can longer stand Pratt's incarnation of the character.

Cause yeah the rest of the Guardians can at least act or look differently, as said Gamora is usually depicted as far more violent and angry than she was in the movie.

But Star-Lord no, he is literally just Chris Pratt every single time. Its always the exact same portrayal of the character to always wearing the exact same outfit with little variation and its annoying. The absolute worst was the Guardians cartoon where he Will Friedle using his Ron Stoppable voice so he was even more obnoxious there than he normally is.

Edited by slimcoder on Jun 15th 2021 at 12:35:58 PM

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#129129: Jun 15th 2021 at 12:40:17 PM

I dunno, Star-Lord in the upcoming game looks pretty different from Chris Pratt and acts fairly different to him, too.

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#129130: Jun 15th 2021 at 12:40:19 PM

Its..not a bad look but it could be clearer

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#129131: Jun 15th 2021 at 12:40:33 PM

[up][up][up] Hey, she doesn't have a Breast Plate. That's good at least.

Edited by Fighteer on Jun 15th 2021 at 3:40:45 PM

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#129132: Jun 15th 2021 at 12:44:22 PM

Guess that confirms that she's going to use Mjolnir, somehow.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#129133: Jun 15th 2021 at 12:48:20 PM

Thats gonna be interesting explanation.

Though hopefully its won't be a big deal as it was in the comics especially since Thor has a new (bigger) weapon now.

Edited by slimcoder on Jun 15th 2021 at 12:49:16 PM

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Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#129134: Jun 15th 2021 at 12:50:24 PM

Admittedly what would make that perfect is if it was Beta Ray Bill with his own thunder weapon next to Jane and Thor. Still looks pretty good on its own.

Krory Since: Aug, 2012
#129135: Jun 15th 2021 at 1:10:49 PM

That's a really good translation of the comic costume.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#129136: Jun 15th 2021 at 1:13:12 PM

Unrelated but I've been thinking a lot about Guardians and I really, really hope Quill finally grows up in Guardians 3.

For him to finally act like a grown-ass man and not an easily emasculated nitwit.

I mean, I think the potential is there. But yeah It'd be nice if whatever evolution he's previously gotten in the last two movies really sticks.

Well, the entire thing with Gamora is either gonna push him to actually being an adult or drag him farther down.

But I'll enjoy watching him suffer as he gets there.[lol]

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#129137: Jun 15th 2021 at 1:20:11 PM

I felt he grew up a little by the end of guardians 2. But Thor showing up had him regress right the hell back and then he missed all the growth potential by being snapped five years

I’d argue that as the guy (predestined) to screw up the attempt to stop Thanos on Titan, him having to be around to deal with it would have been a spectacular source of character beats

It wasn’t the plan, alas

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#129138: Jun 15th 2021 at 1:22:52 PM

Guardians 3 would be the perfect opportunity for a wardrobe shift.

Him finally ditching his red jacket for one of his various blue outfits to truly symbolize his growth and finally taking being a Guardian seriously instead of just a small-time merc.

Edited by slimcoder on Jun 15th 2021 at 1:23:10 AM

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#129139: Jun 15th 2021 at 1:34:08 PM

[up][up] Honestly, I feel it would've been better if Quill was the one Guardian who wasn't snapped instead of Rocket. I think it would've been interesting to have him reflect on how he acted on Titan and basically screwed over the universe, although maybe that would've been too similar to Thor's character arc. I also think it was a missed opportunity to see Quill return to Earth for the first time. We know that his grandfather was still alive thanks to his cameo in the second film, so maybe we could've seen Quill caring for him in his final days? Maybe show Quill suffering from culture shock due to being away from Earth for so long?

I mean, what's done is done, but it probably would've made people a bit more forgiving of his actions in Infinity War if we saw him actually reflect and see the consequences of his actions.

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#129140: Jun 15th 2021 at 2:28:11 PM

The crossover came at a bad time for Quill as in theory what he went through in Volume 2 with Ego and Yondu could have set him up nicely to undergo a bit of character development.

But then he just got flanderised into probably even more of a childish idiot than he started off as.

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#129141: Jun 15th 2021 at 2:43:14 PM

It’d be different if we saw the new improved mature Quill until Gamora getting kidnapped knocked him into recklessness

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#129142: Jun 15th 2021 at 2:47:31 PM

Interestingly when Quill formed the Guardians it was after the Annihilation war where the galaxy was left in shambles after a massive war and he realized they would need a proactive strike against future threats.

Which is sorta the state of the galaxy as Thanos’ war has left it in shambles. Though it has been 5 years the unsnapping has most likely turned it all chaotic again.

Edited by slimcoder on Jun 15th 2021 at 2:47:41 AM

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FGHIK Since: Aug, 2013
#129143: Jun 15th 2021 at 6:27:17 PM

Thats gonna be interesting explanation.

Though hopefully its won't be a big deal as it was in the comics especially since Thor has a new (bigger) weapon now.

I mean, being worthy of Mjolnir is always going to be a big deal. But the existence of Stormbreaker does mean Thor probably won't be put down to make it happen.

As for Star-Lord, he may act more mature when it really counts, but I don't expect him to ever not be snarky and impulsive by default. That's not only most of his personality, it's one of the MCU's favorite forms of comedy, for better or worse.

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#129144: Jun 15th 2021 at 7:25:59 PM

Also, we've seen two other people pick up the hammer so far, and while it gave them "the power of Thor", it didn't cause them to literally become Thor, not the way the comics hammer does, where wielding it automatically gives you the costume.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#129145: Jun 15th 2021 at 7:31:08 PM

I’m just glad we hopefully won’t be doing the whole Thor’s horribly depressed and gets humiliated and the crap beaten out of him which was his main storyline during the whole Jane saga during the comics.

Especially since that would be repeating Ragnarok and the Infinity Duology’s character arc for Thor.

Edited by slimcoder on Jun 15th 2021 at 7:36:35 AM

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Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#129146: Jun 15th 2021 at 8:00:56 PM

I definitely agree that with Thor already having Stormbreaker, the story can do a take on the Jane Foster, Goddess of Thunder concept where it's more about the ascension of Jane Foster and not at all about the downfall of Thor.

The overall comedic nature of the film will probably result in many jokes being cracked to that effect, but with the overall conclusion being that it doesn't really matter. Jane Foster has Mjolnir now, she's worthy of it, and through it she is capable of tapping into the same powers Thor has and that will help her do great things. That's what matters, and what you call her is secondary.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#129147: Jun 16th 2021 at 2:12:48 AM

He's like Peter Pan

I thought that was Spider-Man.

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#129148: Jun 16th 2021 at 3:57:59 AM

Even Peter Parker grows up eventually,its Peter 'Starlord' who needs an Uncle Ben in his life

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#129149: Jun 16th 2021 at 4:02:58 AM

Pratt did recently say that Hemsworth’s performance in Thor 4 is transcendent or something really positive.

So hopefully a good sign that Thor’s life is getting back on track.

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Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
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#129150: Jun 16th 2021 at 10:53:52 AM

Yondu was his Uncle Ben.

The legend has returned.

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