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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#129051: Jun 10th 2021 at 2:39:10 PM

This isn't news, cause it was announced a while back but i just found out today that Tony Dalton is gonna play Swordsman in the Hawkeye series.

And that's darn near perfect casting.

fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
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#129052: Jun 10th 2021 at 2:41:40 PM

...Swordsman? The legendary gunslinger?

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#129053: Jun 10th 2021 at 2:46:28 PM

No, the legendary archer

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#129054: Jun 10th 2021 at 2:46:56 PM

Green arrow

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#129055: Jun 10th 2021 at 2:53:31 PM

This isn't news, cause it was announced a while back but i just found out today that Tony Dalton is gonna play Swordsman in the Hawkeye series.

And that's darn near perfect casting.

Oh? I'm not familiar - is he famous for playing knights or swordsmen or something?

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#129056: Jun 10th 2021 at 2:56:27 PM

It sounds like a shitpost but Swordsman really was an expert archer

He’s the one who taught Clint Barton everything he knew about archery

Clint invented several additional master courses for himself after but for a guy known for swording, Jacques was also a whiz with an arrow

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#129057: Jun 10th 2021 at 2:57:45 PM

So, does he moonlight as Arrowman?

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#129058: Jun 10th 2021 at 3:15:48 PM

We can’t prove he didn’t

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#129059: Jun 10th 2021 at 3:59:36 PM

Why is his name Swordsman then? You should have just called him Link.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#129060: Jun 10th 2021 at 4:01:05 PM

Clint also has an evil brother named Barney.

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#129061: Jun 10th 2021 at 4:02:05 PM

is he a dinosaur

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#129062: Jun 10th 2021 at 4:02:08 PM

A small scrappy underdog like 60s marvel didn’t want to tangle with the corporate giant of 80s Nintendo

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ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#129063: Jun 10th 2021 at 6:23:26 PM

Shitposting aside, Swordsman, while integral to Clint's early days, didn't actually teach him archery. He taught him a lot of other things, but it was Trick Shot who taught Clint how to use a bow. Swordsman and Trick Shot worked at the same circus, where Clint and his brother also worked as basically apprentices to them.

Also, Barney Barton's real name is Charles. Barney, like "Bucky", is a nickname.

Anyway, my original point was that someone like Tony Dalton, who is currently crushing it on Better Call Saul as a charismatic criminal type is the perfect choice to play another charismatic criminal like Swordsman. It sounds like he'll probably be relegated to flashbacks, but you never know.

FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#129064: Jun 11th 2021 at 4:47:26 PM

Wow.

That Shang-Chi trailer was lit the 3rd or 4th rewatch. The bus punch is like a second off but the sync with the song was great.

What are Shang-Chi's powers exactly?

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#129065: Jun 11th 2021 at 4:49:45 PM

He's a martial artist.

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#129066: Jun 11th 2021 at 4:51:18 PM

He kicks and punches good

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#129067: Jun 11th 2021 at 4:54:18 PM

None of those are superpowers.

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#129068: Jun 11th 2021 at 4:55:13 PM

In fiction-land it is.

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#129069: Jun 11th 2021 at 4:55:21 PM

Define superpowers for me

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Krory Since: Aug, 2012
#129070: Jun 11th 2021 at 4:55:25 PM

His fight is maximum. He's also related to Fu Machu, but Marvel is leaving that part out, for obvious reasons.

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#129071: Jun 11th 2021 at 4:56:34 PM

DC is totally going to feature Egg Fu one day..

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#129072: Jun 11th 2021 at 5:08:00 PM

Shang Chi is usually a badass normal

Sometimes he has chi powers

Sometimes he’s a badass normal but still sorta has powers because martial arts training

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Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#129073: Jun 11th 2021 at 6:04:41 PM

Shang-Chi is like a martial artist out of a goddamn anime. We're talking catching bullets and tanking hits from godlike beings here. Every now and then his fuck-you levels of martial arts is explained as Ki Manipulation, and even then he straight-up schools Iron Fist without any of Danny's magical pizzazz.

Martial arts aren't normally superpowers, but Shang-Chi's martial arts basically are.

Edited by Watchtower on Jun 11th 2021 at 9:05:21 AM

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#129074: Jun 11th 2021 at 6:17:06 PM

[up]Alright, that sounds more like a superpower then just straight-up being good at fighting.

Like. Batman is a superhero but it's part of his brand that he doesn't have superpowers.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#129075: Jun 11th 2021 at 6:21:05 PM

Well unless you count money which is the greatest superpower ever.

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