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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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Disasturbator
#128927: Jun 7th 2021 at 4:11:17 AM

what about Captain Marvel hes a marvel character right

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Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#128928: Jun 7th 2021 at 4:20:33 AM

I suppose there's a slight difference between "formally on the Avengers team" and "involved in the next Avengers movie", since the latter is a bit easier to answer I'll go with:

Everyone with an announced solo film aside from Black Widow. So Shang-Chi, Spider-Man, Doctor Strange, Thor, Ant-Man, Wasp, Captain America (Sam Wilson), and Blade.

I'll also add in Sersi from the Eternals, whoever the lead of the next Black Panther movie is, Ms. Marvel, Jane Foster, the Fantastic Four, and Scarlet Witch.

Carol Danvers and Kamala Khan are both possibilities depending on how The Marvels ends and the precise nature of the threat, as are the Guardians of the Galaxy.

Edited by Falrinn on Jun 7th 2021 at 4:20:49 AM

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#128929: Jun 7th 2021 at 8:18:03 AM

Since Loki is literally just around the corner, who's up for a bowl of Loki Charms?

Yes, this is an actual cereal. The catch is that there will only be 3500 of these and they can only be bought via MischievouslyDelicious.com beginning at 11 a.m. ET on Wednesday, June 9th (because that's when the show comes out). That said, if anyone wants early access to this special cereal can head to the website to crack an encryption code. The first 1000 who cracks said code will score early access to the limited time cereal before anyone else gets to.

HalfFaust Since: Jan, 2019
#128930: Jun 7th 2021 at 9:03:35 AM

Seems like a fun idea, but not something I'm willing to put effort into.

Mario1995 The Dishonorable from Atlanta Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
The Dishonorable
#128931: Jun 7th 2021 at 11:06:03 AM

Tenoch Huerta rumored to play Sub-Mariner in Black Panther 2.

Looks like the film rights issues with Universal have finally been resolved.

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Pet Owner
#128932: Jun 7th 2021 at 11:15:02 AM

The universe is complete...

Just Makima.
TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#128933: Jun 7th 2021 at 11:30:58 AM

[up][up] Taking with a grain of salt for now since Illuminerdi doesn't always have the best scoops.

But if it's true that Namor is really coming to BP2, then it's going to hurt even more not having Boseman. sad

What's tricky is that we still don't know if BP2 is set during the five years or after Endgame. Either way, both would end up making the "earthquake under the ocean" bit straight-up foreshadowing. (And yeah, I know the recast still isn't happening. Gotta get that in my head.)

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#128934: Jun 7th 2021 at 11:39:41 AM

I'm always torn on that idea. Yeah, it fits Deadpool more if it's just handwaved and not dwelt upon, but Wade's supporting cast is tied-into the X-Men franchise. Not necessarily characters like Vanessa or Blind Al, but Colossus and Negasonic Teenage Warhead are explicitly X-Men. You can't have them around before the MCU properly introduces their version of the X-Men. Either you remove them entirely, remove them being members of the X-Men, or explicitly have them from an alternate universe.

While Wade was time traveling to save Vanessa, he missed out on the Fox buyout and was alarmed, upon return, to find out that the universe he returned to isn't the same; rather, he and Vanessa are now Disney properties.

This is very similar to Scott Lang missing the Snap because he was in the Quantum Realm, a reference that Deadpool can totally make in the film.

At some point in the film, he can seek out Negasonic Teenage Warhead. She's an Inhuman. That they're saying she got her powers from "some stupid fish oil thing from a spinoff TV series that probably isn't even canon anymore" is a fact that infuriates Deadpool beyond measure.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jun 7th 2021 at 11:42:18 AM

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Foreign Troper
#128935: Jun 7th 2021 at 11:39:52 AM

I guess we know have our "Jerk of the year" award out of the way already tongue

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#128937: Jun 7th 2021 at 11:53:27 AM

That's kind of what I figured would happen.

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Former King
#128938: Jun 7th 2021 at 11:57:50 AM

If Namor does show up, that’s an odd movie for him to show up at.

The legend has returned.
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#128939: Jun 7th 2021 at 12:01:22 PM

Isn't there a Black Panther arc about Wakanda going to war with Atlantis? Ever since the rumors of Namor being in Black Panther 2 that started circulating a while ago (like, even before Boseman's death), I've been thinking that maybe that's where Black Panther 2 was going.

Mario1995 The Dishonorable from Atlanta Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
The Dishonorable
#128940: Jun 7th 2021 at 12:26:08 PM

One big caveat to this is that this by no means suggests that a Namor solo movie is on the way. Even if the rights issues with Universal have been cleared up Universal likely still has right of first refusal for solo movies, much like Hulk.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#128941: Jun 7th 2021 at 4:15:53 PM

Namor is one of the great 4 Kings of the MU, alongside Black Panther, Doctor Doom, and Black Bolt.

So it was commonly hyped for BP to potentially face his Atlantean counterpart especially after the times they've done so in the comics.

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Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#128942: Jun 7th 2021 at 5:58:30 PM

Namor is an increasingly expected choice for a typical Black Panther sequel given the comics increasing pissing-contest rivalry between him and T'Challa.

Unfortunately Wakanda Forever is not going to be a typical sequel due to Boseman's passing. Curious what they'll do with Namor with T'Challa off the table (at least immediately).

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#128943: Jun 7th 2021 at 6:16:21 PM

Unfortunately Wakanda Forever is not going to be a typical sequel due to Boseman's passing. Curious what they'll do with Namor with T'Challa off the table (at least immediately).

I mean, I can still feasibly see Wakanda Forever as being set during the five-year gap between Infinity War and Endgame in the sense that when Wakanda mourns T'Challa's passing, Namor pops up and demands a duel with its king because it and Atlantis has had it out for each other for centuries. (Perhaps another truth the Wakandian kings chose to omit?) When Namor is told of T'Challa's death, he's like, "whelp, guess I'll take over then!" And Wakanda learns to be strong without their king. But one problem is Letitia Wright is supposed to be in WF and Shuri was among those who got Snap'd according to background stuff from Endgame. Maybe Shuri's presence is via pre-recorded messages or an A.I.? Another problem is that making WF a midquel to the events of IW and EG means having to deal with the fact that EG brings back T'Challa and Feige said recasting was a no-no...sad

Someone on Reddit suggested that an Atlantean (maybe Namor or Attuma or someone else) outright kills T'Challa, but that sounds like they'd have to resort to deep-faking and they said they wouldn't do that, right? Plus, it just sounds way too unceremonious.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#128944: Jun 7th 2021 at 6:25:23 PM

Yeah, I don't see them "killing" Black Panther on-screen. Deepfaking a deceased actor just to make us watch him die a second time is rather cruel.

They'd probably just treat it like Peggy's funeral from Civil War or Steve's(?) from F&WS; have some sort of respectful ceremony mourning an off-screen death.

Edited by Anomalocaris20 on Jun 7th 2021 at 9:25:50 AM

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#128945: Jun 7th 2021 at 10:06:51 PM

Namor will never get a solo movie. Heck, he's never even had a solo comic run.

Edited by M84 on Jun 8th 2021 at 1:07:10 AM

Disgusted, but not surprised
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#128946: Jun 7th 2021 at 10:09:32 PM

He's a major character but its like how Professor X doesn't have his own comic.

Like Xavier is a major character, a very important one but hes not the "headline a named after yourself title as the sole lead" kind of character.

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Surrounded by weirdoes
#128947: Jun 7th 2021 at 10:10:10 PM

Interesting how Namor has so much history and the like and hasn't been the star.

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#128948: Jun 7th 2021 at 10:25:34 PM

It's mostly because he's a profoundly unlikeable character.

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#128949: Jun 7th 2021 at 10:30:56 PM

I feel like a Namor solo would be like a mix between Aquaman and Deadpool.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#128950: Jun 7th 2021 at 10:36:08 PM

At most he’s had minis and one-shots.

Like whatever that one story that portrayed him as a fish monster out of the deep.

[up][up] He is immensely despicable on a personal level considering how he can’t take no for an answer with Sue.

Edited by slimcoder on Jun 7th 2021 at 10:36:57 AM

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