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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#128876: Jun 5th 2021 at 10:03:40 AM

So, trying to swing this back to the MCU again, does anyone have any thoughts on Iron Fist?

Specifically, does he have any kind of future in the MCU? With Shang-Chi coming out (and being Asian) I can't decide if that makes Iron Fist seem more or less likely; on one hand, I could see Marvel going "well we already have a kung fu guy with less baggage" and on the other hand, I could see Marvel going "well, now we need another kung fu guy to fight him."

At the very least I think Shang-Chi kills #Asian American Iron Fist since if he's coming back, they'll want to differentiate him as much as possible. Which I'm okay with; I never really cared for AA Iron Fist since I thought it didn't serve his backstory well. Speaking as an Asian American man, I'd prefer a Hispanic or middle-eastern-American Iron Fist over an Asian American one since K'un Lan is so Eastern Asia coded. I'd include African-American but it would change his dynamic with Luke Cage too much.

Look, really all I care about is that they hire someone who knows martial arts. Or dancing. Just... someone who knows how to move.

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Khfan429 Since: Aug, 2009
#128877: Jun 5th 2021 at 10:13:49 AM

I think that they might still do something with Iron Fist... but if they do, they'll team him up with Luke Cage as part of a Heroes for Hire project instead of as a solo act.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#128878: Jun 5th 2021 at 10:47:52 AM

Heroes for Hire would make a good Disney plus show if they want

Danny and Luke are pretty budget friendly and if cast and/or written well have great chemistry

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jakobitis Doctor of Doctorates from Somewhere, somewhen Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Doctor of Doctorates
#128879: Jun 5th 2021 at 10:57:04 AM

Iron Fist can definitely still happen, especially if they do down the Heroes for Hire route.

You could potentially even introduce him through Shang Chi's corner of the MCU by having him as an ally or friend as they align fairly neatly.

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Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#128880: Jun 5th 2021 at 12:17:26 PM

I feel like Shang-Chi will most likely be Iron Fist but better in every way. If any Netflix character isn't canon, Iron Fist would probably be the one to get rid of.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#128881: Jun 5th 2021 at 1:32:36 PM

Giving Luke and Danny a Heroes for Hire show would be a great idea especially since it would very much distinctify if from the Netflix shows.

Compared to the grim and gritty solo affairs, they’d have a wholesome bromance solving crimes in da hood and walking along to renditions of The Boys are Back.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#128882: Jun 5th 2021 at 1:34:48 PM

It'd be like an odd jobs agency. You could do all kinds of plots with that or have them doing all kinds of things as cold opens or whatever just because

Heroes for Hire helping a bake sale? Damn skippy

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#128883: Jun 5th 2021 at 1:36:15 PM

I just wanna see the hooks from Luke Cage and Iron Fist's second seasons get resolved.

Show me what happens with King of Harlem Luke, gunslinger Danny, and chi-katana Colleen, damnit.

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#128884: Jun 5th 2021 at 1:52:50 PM

Mm, I personally find Awkwafina's comedic schtick very one-note, so was thinking that replacing her role with Colleen would have been cool.

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#128885: Jun 5th 2021 at 6:27:11 PM

If he comes back they might recast the role.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#128886: Jun 5th 2021 at 7:30:01 PM

I'm still suspecting that a big twist in the movie will be that Awkwafina's character isn't really named "Katie," and that she's actually a spy for Interpol (IE, Leiko Wu) pretending to be Shang's goofball friend in order to get a line to his father.

And then we get Liar Revealed, she gives him the whole "it started as a lie but then I actually started to like you" spiel, there's trust issues between them until the climax, etc. The whole nine.

I just wanna see the hooks from Luke Cage and Iron Fist's second seasons get resolved.

Show me what happens with King of Harlem Luke, gunslinger Danny, and chi-katana Colleen, damnit.

Unfortunately, while the characters might come back, and might even be played by the same actors (and Marvel absolutely should. Luke, Jess and Matt were practically printing money a few years ago), the chances of the plots from the Netflix show (or any obvious elements of those plots, really) coming back in any capacity are pretty close to zero.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jun 5th 2021 at 7:38:25 AM

Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#128888: Jun 5th 2021 at 11:36:10 PM

Making Iron Fist a gritty crime drama in the veins of the other Netflix show was a mistake.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#128889: Jun 5th 2021 at 11:39:37 PM

The house style there really did screw them over.

Especially since the plot of Defenders revolved around the zombie ninjas which obviously didn’t mesh with the aesthetic either.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#128890: Jun 5th 2021 at 11:39:46 PM

It was, but the second season was really good. I even grew to like Finn Jones as Danny Rand.

Probably helps that he actually had better writers and time to rehearse, instead of Scott Buck pushing it out on a shoestring budget.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#128891: Jun 6th 2021 at 3:30:03 AM

I forget, the reason the Netflix shows ended is because of contract stuff, not because it stopped being popular and successful right?

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#128892: Jun 6th 2021 at 3:32:24 AM

Basically, yeah. And it's been 2 years now since JJ Season 3, too.

Edited by Forenperser on Jun 6th 2021 at 12:32:43 PM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#128893: Jun 6th 2021 at 3:47:06 AM

Man that’s sad then.

To have a bunch of shows suddenly end not even because people stopped caring about them, but solely because of executive politics.

Huh I wonder if they would have made a Defenders 2.

Edited by slimcoder on Jun 6th 2021 at 3:47:41 AM

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#128894: Jun 6th 2021 at 11:38:29 AM

Ryan Reynolds posted this as part of his Instagram story today...

  • Deadpool: "Yup, that's me. I bet you're wondering how I wound up here. Well, it all started a few minutes ago, when some asshole chopped my head off and put it in a bag. That's it, really, that's the whole story."

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#128895: Jun 6th 2021 at 12:42:41 PM

[up]x8: I am trying so hard not to think this is a clue to something big and Deadpool-related happening in the near future.

It's bad enough that Loki's theme of "time travel shenanigans" appears to give us the perfect "in" for Wade given how he was forking with the timeline in his world. Yeah, sounds foolproof, but then we thought WandaVision was going to give us the perfect "in" for Mephisto. tongue

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#128896: Jun 6th 2021 at 12:44:29 PM

[up]Best not to worry about that. At this point my biggest question is if Owen Wilson will be contractually obligated to say “Wow!” at least once.

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#128897: Jun 6th 2021 at 1:08:12 PM

Deadpool (plus some of his supporting cast) is probably the one Foxverse character I could see simply be transported into the MCU directly.

Since America Chavez is slated to appear in Doctor Strange 2, they could do something with that if they want a semiserious explanation, or do something with the TVA in the Loki series. However given the nature of the character, there are options for some really...out there options.

Like I could totally see him appear in the MCU without explanation. And when people realize he isn't native to this reality and question him on the subject he just mumbles something about a mouse buying a fox and refuses to elaborate.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#128898: Jun 6th 2021 at 1:17:46 PM

Them having Deadpool just in the MCU, and he’s aware that he’s shifted universes thanks to irl business deals, but nobody around him knows what he’s talking about, is exactly the kind of thing the previous Deadpool films would do.

It’s got the same kind of energy as the “McAvoy or Stewart?” gag in the first one.

chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#128899: Jun 6th 2021 at 1:28:56 PM

I'm always torn on that idea. Yeah, it fits Deadpool more if it's just handwaved and not dwelt upon, but Wade's supporting cast is tied-into the X-Men franchise. Not necessarily characters like Vanessa or Blind Al, but Colossus and Negasonic Teenage Warhead are explicitly X-Men. You can't have them around before the MCU properly introduces their version of the X-Men. Either you remove them entirely, remove them being members of the X-Men, or explicitly have them from an alternate universe.

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#128900: Jun 6th 2021 at 4:22:36 PM

I'll definately grant that his supporting cast is probably trickier then Deadpool himself.

Speaking completely off the cuff, I'd probably have Venessa shift with him, but everyone else will be the MCU version of their character and may or may not be played by the same actor. Regardless, shenanigans ensue when he interjects himself into their lives for reasons that may or may not make sense.


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