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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#128776: Jun 1st 2021 at 2:21:54 PM

No dick jokes to be made about "Ricardo". :P

No joke, I ran into a subreddit post one time that argued Dick Rider couldn't be made Hispanic because "he'd have to be renamed Ricardo Rodriguez."

And I remember sitting down reading it like ".....wha?"

EDIT: Oh God this is the page topper? XD

Edited by Watchtower on Jun 1st 2021 at 5:22:33 AM

fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
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#128777: Jun 1st 2021 at 2:22:43 PM

[up]Is this one of your weirder pagetoppers?

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#128779: Jun 1st 2021 at 2:26:07 PM

In hindsight it was mentioned before that Sam did get more demoted to extra after the last Nova run was canceled around the time I think Loeb was kicked upstairs or to another division.

By contrast Rich has regained prominence, he doesn’t have an ongoing but he has a big role in the last 2 and current Guardian runs without being treated like a 3rd wheel like Sam.

Plus he was the star of the Annihilation: Scourge special event which calls back to famously well-liked cosmic titles Rich was apart of like the original Annihilation and The Thanos Imperative since he faces off against the Cancer-Verse again.

Edited by slimcoder on Jun 1st 2021 at 2:26:51 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#128780: Jun 1st 2021 at 3:31:15 PM

Here's my wild card: Silverclaw.

She has those distinct cultural elements that would make her comparable to Black Panther or Shang-Chi. Her origin has fantasy elements that blend her cultural heritage with the modern world. She has never had a ongoing series, so that's how obscure she is.

I've pushed for Silverclaw to get her own movie before. Her connection to gods could also make her a Thor parallel, depending on how strong the writers want to make her. Vision's time helping her could have been set between Age of Ultron and Infinity War, and they could introduce her by having Vision contact her now that he's been brought back.

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#128781: Jun 1st 2021 at 5:32:24 PM

I'm putting White Tiger out there for consideration too.

Which one?

Hector Ayala, Ava Ayala, Angela Del Toro, Kasper Cole or the one that was an actual White Tiger turned into a human?

I would like for the to do something with the Ayala/Del Toro family.

In hindsight it was mentioned before that Sam did get more demoted to extra

He's still a consistent member of the Champions and he was even part on the Young Squadron tie in for the current Heroes Reborn event.

Also no reason they can't just go the Jaime Reyes route and skip right to the Affirmative Action Legacy.

All the White Tigers have been Puerto Rican(And Cuban in Angela's case) with the exception of Cole who was black and Jewish.

It's not like Blue Beetle.

Edited by Cortez on Jun 1st 2021 at 8:53:04 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#128782: Jun 1st 2021 at 5:37:46 PM

Yeah that’s what I meant. He’s just stuck in Champions as a third wheel to Miles and Kamala. He’s become somewhat team-fodder.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#128783: Jun 1st 2021 at 6:54:38 PM

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All the White Tigers have been Puerto Rican(And Cuban in Angela's case) with the exception of Cole who was black and Jewish. It's not like Blue Beetle.

I was responding to this line:

Also worth nothing, all the most recognizable latino heroes are legacy heroes (the previously mentioned spiders, Nova, Ghost Rider), though I imagine their predecessors will be favored first.

And Jaime happened to be a Latino legacy who is getting a movie before his white predecessorsnote .

Edited by Synchronicity on Jun 1st 2021 at 8:57:27 AM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#128785: Jun 1st 2021 at 7:08:19 PM

[up][up] And that is my thing with most Latino characters being legacy heroes.

The characters at risk of being used over the previous guy, plus not having their own thing in the same Black Panther has his own thing.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#128786: Jun 1st 2021 at 7:38:23 PM

Also, it should be said that Richard Rider Nova isn't really overshadowing Sam in non-comics media, his most high profile appearance was being playable in two Marvel vs. Capcom games.

Honestly, when it comes to legacy characters, unless the original version is super high profile, there's a decent chance of us getting any of them. Heck, we got Robbie Reyes over the other two ghost riders very recently in Agents of Shield.

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#128787: Jun 1st 2021 at 9:04:32 PM

There have been more than two Ghost Riders. I certainly wouldn't mind if they decided to use Alejandra at some point.

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Though they ended up making Robbie look more like Johnny.

Edited by Cortez on Jun 1st 2021 at 12:11:18 PM

Akirakan Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#128788: Jun 1st 2021 at 9:51:44 PM

As far as Ghost Riders go, Marvel has been lately pushing Kushala, the native American GR who was Sorcerer Supreme too.

The White Tigers are definitely a possibility. The thing with them is that they're much more tied to Asian culture than latino. Yes, all White Tigers have been latinos, but the entire mythology of the White Tiger spirit has nothing to do with latino culture. Just read the origin of the Tiger amulet from the Marvel Database:

Years ago, a group of Ninja assassins raided the Tiger Dojo and assassinated Master Kee. With his dying breath, he bequeathed the Amulets of Power to his best student, Lin Sun. Lin took the jade tiger's head for himself and gave the tiger's claw amulets to fellow martial artists Bob Diamond and Abe Brown. Channeling the power of the amulets, the three became known as the Sons of the Tiger.

After fighting together on several adventures, the Sons of the Tiger eventually disbanded. Lin Sun discarded the amulets, pitching them into an alleyway, where they were eventually discovered by Hector Ayala. Hector channeled the power of all three amulets to become the White Tiger.

I think that sets them back since I think Marvel would want to approach their latino lead like they did with Black Panther and Shang-Chi.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#128789: Jun 1st 2021 at 9:58:54 PM

They're very obscure, but I wonder if we'll ever see the Santerians, Marvel's Afro-Cuban hero team. I don't recall if they've appeared in anything since 2015.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Jun 1st 2021 at 9:59:06 AM

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#128790: Jun 1st 2021 at 10:03:45 PM

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I don't think it sets them back at all. Hector himself is the first Latino Super hero and the mantle is a legacy tied to his family.

There is a lot they can do with that, especially with the Tiger God that resides in the amulet.

Latino martial artist are also rare in film, especially as protagonist.

Edited by Cortez on Jun 1st 2021 at 1:57:21 PM

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#128791: Jun 1st 2021 at 10:05:41 PM

If they do adapt White Tiger, I hope they use the scene where the White Tiger extorted the tiger god.

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Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#128793: Jun 1st 2021 at 10:50:32 PM

Oh okay that’s an unrelated moment, I was thinking of that time T’Challa used the spirit to punch through a space barrier.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
AdeptGaderius Otaku from the Anime World Since: Nov, 2018 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Otaku
#128795: Jun 3rd 2021 at 2:48:43 AM

[up] Can you elaborate us about the nature of the easter egg?

Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#128796: Jun 3rd 2021 at 4:27:47 AM

Well the two on the right are Moon Girl and Squirrel Girl. I think the kid is the one from Iron Man 3, maybe? I flat dont know the leftmost character.

Edited by Zeromaeus on Jun 3rd 2021 at 7:28:50 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#128797: Jun 3rd 2021 at 4:28:29 AM

I think thats the kid from Iron Man 3.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
jouXIII The One Who Knows Many Things from Between the Multiverses (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
The One Who Knows Many Things
#128798: Jun 3rd 2021 at 4:35:52 AM

Leftmost character seems to be Onome.

And yeah, Harley Keener is the kid from Iron Man 3.

Edited by jouXIII on Jun 3rd 2021 at 2:38:52 PM

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Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#128800: Jun 3rd 2021 at 12:12:16 PM

We have a Sakaarian Iron Man Transformers-style mech, Tony, Valkyrie, and a black Watcher.

The legend has returned.

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