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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Akirakan Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#128751: Jun 1st 2021 at 11:02:35 AM

So, what obscure superhero that you think Marvel is going to adapt?

My best guess, they're going for a latino solo lead.

YMMV how much obscure they're, but the most significant latino heroes Marvel haves all belong to Sony. Also worth nothing, all the most recognizable latino heroes are legacy heroes (the previously mentioned spiders, Nova, Ghost Rider), though I imagine their predecessors will be favored first.

Here's my wild card: Silverclaw.

She has those distinct cultural elements that would make her comparable to Black Panther or Shang-Chi. Her origin has fantasy elements that blend her cultural heritage with the modern world. She has never had a ongoing series, so that's how obscure she is.

jakobitis Doctor of Doctorates from Somewhere, somewhen Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Doctor of Doctorates
#128752: Jun 1st 2021 at 11:14:07 AM

I'm putting White Tiger out there for consideration too. Less obscure than some mentioned but ticks diversity boxes of race and gender, is Street level/city based (so plenty of overlap with other characters) and powers that can be done on a budget.

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Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#128753: Jun 1st 2021 at 11:14:54 AM

[nja]Who has the rights to White Tiger?

Also no reason they can't just go the Jaime Reyes route and skip right to the Affirmative-Action Legacy.

Edited by Synchronicity on Jun 1st 2021 at 1:14:58 PM

Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#128754: Jun 1st 2021 at 11:24:58 AM

Yeah, I expect Sam before Richard if we get a live action Nova. Maybe if we had gotten that new warriors show, I'd think otherwise, but a just starting out Nova works pretty well for Sam in the current state of the MCU.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#128755: Jun 1st 2021 at 11:53:50 AM

Pretty sure the real reason Rich isn't gonna get his time in the sun is because of last name.[lol]

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Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#128756: Jun 1st 2021 at 12:01:09 PM

Wonder which Tiger would they decide to adapt. And what origin they would give them.

Wake me up at your own risk.
Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#128757: Jun 1st 2021 at 12:09:43 PM

I honestly figure it's more likely that Ryder gets Race Lifted to Hispanic than anything else.

Not that anyone hates Sam but of all the Affirmative-Action Legacy plays Marvel's done lately he's been one of their more notable misses.

Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#128758: Jun 1st 2021 at 12:12:09 PM

Sam is mostly a third wheel with Miles and Kamala, really. Like, a relatively big Champion, but he wouldn't be starring his own books.

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Akirakan Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#128759: Jun 1st 2021 at 12:22:00 PM

Last time Feige brought up Nova he mentioned both Dick and Sam. Also reportedly Feige is a big fan of Rider, so I doubt they'll exclude him.

My best guess is a Nova movie would feature both as protagonists.

Edited by Akirakan on Jun 1st 2021 at 2:22:44 PM

eligram Since: Sep, 2009 Relationship Status: In denial
#128760: Jun 1st 2021 at 12:26:32 PM

I mentioned it before, but they should make Ryder the Peter B. Parker to Sam's Morales. Make it that Ryder was one of the first group to use the Nova suit, and was one of the few survivors of Thanos attack, becoming jaded and cynical. Then jada jada Sam gets elected to form part in the Nova Corps (as humans began to get especial attention after they were the ones to manage the unsnap and defeat Thanos) with Ryder as his unwilling mentor, and bam! New movie.

Edited by eligram on Jun 1st 2021 at 3:35:49 PM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#128761: Jun 1st 2021 at 12:30:25 PM

It could work.

Rich and Sam don't really have a mentor relationship in the comics (which seems to be a common thing for Marvel legacy characters), so seeing them interact more would be fun to see.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#128762: Jun 1st 2021 at 12:33:59 PM

Marvel just doesn’t have that sidekick culture

Except Wolverine

Like with many things, Wolverine hogs all the good stuff to himself

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Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#128763: Jun 1st 2021 at 12:34:42 PM

Yeah, that's one of the big differences from DC, which puts a lot of stock in Passing the Torch.

Hawkeye will give us some of that, presumably.

Akirakan Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#128764: Jun 1st 2021 at 12:36:16 PM

[up][up][up]They did had that dynamic in the last, short-lived, Nova run.

Probably best remembered for this.

Edited by Akirakan on Jun 1st 2021 at 2:36:33 PM

Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#128765: Jun 1st 2021 at 1:13:27 PM

Why were people so convinced a Spider-Man trailer was dropping today?

jouXIII The One Who Knows Many Things from Between the Multiverses (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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#128766: Jun 1st 2021 at 1:22:26 PM

Apparently because June 1st is Tom Holland's birthday.

On a side note, happy birthday, Tom Holland!

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Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#128767: Jun 1st 2021 at 1:45:51 PM

For the most part it was recency bias + looking for patterns, i.e. "Marvel released the Shang-Chi trailer on Simu Liu's birthday, surely they'll do it again for Tom Holland!"

It had a little bit more weight because of rumors over the weekend that movie theaters were starting to get the trailer and the general luck of Holland's birthday being the day after Memorial Day. So stars looked like they were aligning but unfortunately didn't turn out.

But surely we gotta get it sometime in the next month. [lol]

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#128768: Jun 1st 2021 at 1:53:39 PM

I used to think that Dick Rider's chances of getting an MCU greenlight were pretty much shot to hell by that name of his, but then Ralph Boehner happened. And the show even stopped to snicker about his name, just in case it was too subtle for you.

So, yeah, Dick Rider 2022.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#128769: Jun 1st 2021 at 1:56:12 PM

That being said, he's gonna have to do something really impressive to get people to stop making jokes about his name.

Maybe have him rip Annilus' heart out like he apparently did in the comics?

Fucking up the king of an anti matter universe tends to get you some respect.

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Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#128770: Jun 1st 2021 at 1:59:02 PM

he's gonna have to do something really impressive to get people to stop making jokes about his name

Ryder gets Race Lifted to Hispanic than anything else.

No dick jokes to be made about "Ricardo". :P

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
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#128772: Jun 1st 2021 at 2:01:56 PM

No joke. A chairmam of the Olympics IOC is a guy named Dick Pound so even dick rider can't top that.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#128773: Jun 1st 2021 at 2:03:30 PM

Rich has a pretty good chance since he’s a relatively major character in the Marvel cosmic scene.

Especially compared to Sam who is as said pretty much just stuck to Champions. Plus he was created by Jeph Loeb, being named after his son.

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Goku Black
#128774: Jun 1st 2021 at 2:05:31 PM

Yeah Loeb's comic work is radioactive nowadays...

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#128775: Jun 1st 2021 at 2:18:55 PM

That might actually explain why writers seem unwilling to touch Sam, and he even seems like the Third Wheel among the Champions (a team he helped found).

I forgot about the shit Loeb said while involved in Marvel TV. I just figured Sam's troubles getting afloat was due to originating from that crappy Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon.

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