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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#128651: May 27th 2021 at 1:48:58 PM

Molecule Man is pretty neat before the 2015 Secret Wars adjacent retcons.

He was a goofy Silver Age villain who was held back by being a dingus, he stopped being a dingus long enough to get it in his head to eat the world to show up Galactus, eventually got beat by the Avengers although it was a near thing, got yelled at by Tigra for wasting his life, decided to go to therapy, realized he didn’t actually even want to be a super villain, found a girlfriend who liked him for his soft sensitive side instead of his power, got forcibly COSMIC EPIPAHNIED by Doom to unlock the full potential of his power, went “huh neat” and went back to Earth to settle down with his new girlfriend

Then Secret Wars II killed him off for a while but nobody likes Secret Wars II except the part where Spider Man taught the Beyonder to poop

Edited by Bocaj on May 27th 2021 at 4:50:18 AM

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#128652: May 27th 2021 at 1:52:43 PM

Man, I hope if the Beyonder ever shows up in the MCU, then they just give him the 70s disco look.

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#128653: May 27th 2021 at 1:53:51 PM

“I HAVE OBSERVED YOUR PLANET FOR CENTURIES. BUT STOPPED SEVERAL DECADES AGO. I ASSUME THIS IS STILL THE FASHION BUT DO NOT CORRECT ME IF NOT”

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#128655: May 27th 2021 at 2:00:37 PM

Spider-Man, Spider-Man
Teaches Beyonder to use the can

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#128656: May 27th 2021 at 2:11:04 PM

Hah!

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#128657: May 27th 2021 at 2:24:58 PM

I know a lot of people didn't like Avengers Assemble, but when they did their Secret Wars storyarc, they made the Beyonder look like... well, I guess kinda of like a burly hipster/tech bro? I guess a way to modernize his disco appearance or something?

But I'll say the armour he donned in the final battle for that arc was goofy as shit.

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#128659: May 27th 2021 at 2:58:07 PM

Replace "static" with "vignette" and it should show the images.

Edited by jouXIII on May 27th 2021 at 12:59:53 PM

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#128660: May 27th 2021 at 3:14:55 PM

What are those shoulderpads?

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#128661: May 27th 2021 at 3:54:18 PM

Yeah, I don't think Black-and-White Morality is ever realistic. Pretty much any real world group of people, unless the category is literally defined by evil (EG Nazis), is going to have people of all shades of morality within it. Having all Skrulls be good and all Kree be evil not only seems less interesting but it's kind of racist.

It's been a page or two since this, but it should be pointed out that "some of these refugees must be evil invaders because some people are evil and thus it's unrealistic if 1 in X people in fiction aren't also evil" isn't particularly "realistic," no.

There is, after all, a difference between "people in real life are shades of grey" and "some percentage any sample size have to be evil, regardless of context." That's a degree of generalization that pretty much instantly makes it an unrealistic conclusion.

Edited by KnownUnknown on May 27th 2021 at 3:59:12 AM

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#128663: May 27th 2021 at 4:05:44 PM

Sometimes attempts to enforce Black-and-Gray Morality can come off as more unbelievable than just Black And White. For instance, The Legend of Korra’s conflicts were often criticized for frequently making factions with reasonable grievances into total extremists. It was ostensibly for moral ambiguity, but it came off as shutting out important questions rather than discussing them. Inversely, the prior series ATLA had a very simple premise “Fire Nation bad, the other nations good” but it was still able to flesh out a lot of mature themes and characters in the process.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on May 27th 2021 at 4:44:21 AM

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#128664: May 27th 2021 at 4:24:40 PM

[up]Plus, there were plenty of times in the show where the people in the Fire Nation were regarded in a positive light. There is even a video compilation showing scenes of Fire Nation guards in their down time being normal and at times funny people despite supposedly being the enemy.

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#128665: May 27th 2021 at 4:28:13 PM

I think it only muddle the message if one belive that having a good cause automatic means the chararter will do the good thing about it, I mean hell marvel hero often means well but they kinda fuck up sometimes(mostly tony stark, sometimes cap).

[up] I will said they kinda mess up in ozai and azula: the first is saturday cartoon villian nobody give a damn and second try to force some underserved pity on her that didnt reallys tick.

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#128666: May 27th 2021 at 4:30:27 PM

[up]I disagree with Azula. The beach episode actually did highlight certain parts that made her sympathisable. Yes, she is a terrible person, but in the end, I still do pity her.

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#128667: May 27th 2021 at 5:25:31 PM

[up]For me is hard because most of this episode enter waaaaay later and for most part she seen like fear and respected member of the court with the backing of the fire nation, making her pity moment come as foroce and nearly wangst for me.

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#128668: May 27th 2021 at 5:27:14 PM

What are those shoulderpads?

wild mass guessIt resembles a "V" because he wanted to implement his name in his suit, but sadly believes it's spelled "Veyonder", and no one has the heart to correct him.wild mass guess

Ohmknight _(o)_ from the End Since: Jul, 2020 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#128669: May 27th 2021 at 6:10:56 PM

[up][up]eh, lets agree to disagree

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Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#128670: May 27th 2021 at 10:46:29 PM

It's been a page or two since this, but it should be pointed out that "some of these refugees must be evil invaders because some people are evil and thus it's unrealistic if 1 in X people in fiction aren't also evil" isn't particularly "realistic," no.

There is, after all, a difference between "people in real life are shades of grey" and "some percentage any sample size have to be evil, regardless of context." That's a degree of generalization that pretty much instantly makes it an unrealistic conclusion.

This. I agree. [awesome]

Sayings like "well, some of the refugees/immigrants must be evil because it's more realistic" is a fucking dogwhistle.

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Oh, bother.
#128671: May 27th 2021 at 10:49:52 PM

The Skrulls being the Big Bad of a Secret Invasion event wouldn't really work in the MCU anyway due to the radical changes in backstory. In the comics it worked since the Skrulls were still powerful imperialists despite the loss of their homeworld.

In the MCU the Skrulls are refugees fleeing from an alien empire, while in the comics the Skrulls were a rival alien empire.

If the MCU people wanted to make the Skrulls the Big Bad of a movie at some point, maybe they shouldn't have established that MCU Skrulls are refugees. Just sayin'.

Edited by M84 on May 28th 2021 at 1:51:20 AM

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#128672: May 27th 2021 at 10:53:20 PM

I thought we already had confirmation that Fury and Talos are co-leads of Secret Invasion. I'm assuming that the villains of Secret Invasions are going to be a rogue group of Skrulls and that the main villain will be the Skrull who will eventually become Super-Skrull when the Fantastic 4 finally get adapted.

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#128673: May 27th 2021 at 11:08:44 PM

Kl'rt did get to briefly sit in the protagonist chair during Annihilation. Might be cool to see a heroic Super-Skrull.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#128674: May 27th 2021 at 11:10:08 PM

I really like the previously suggested idea of the "Kree Sleeper Cells" Talos mentions being Skrull Kree Sleeper Cells: that is, the tragic idea of Skrulls who started buying what the Kree were selling, and decided to sell out the rest of their people.

That would make a really interesting Secret Invasion, especially if - say - Veranke's intention is to make the rest of their people look bad. The public as a whole doesn't know about the Skrulls or the Kree (presumably: it's unclear how much the public knows about Captain Marvel), so if Veranke's group pokes at Earth's post-Thanos xenophobia my making it look like evil shapeshifters are everywhere, and then the good ol' Kree roll up with their propaganda about how the Skrulls are evil, then they can get humanity to do the Kree's dirty work for them.

As for Kl'Rt, since I really want Fantastic Four to be an exploration/adventure series, and since the FF missed the boat on being the series that introduces the Skrulls, I'd be fine with Super Skrull not appearing in their movies per-se. I still want him, it's just that he'd be awkward to put into their movies now given the unlikeliness of them getting a film about the Skrulls now. Maybe in The Marvels instead?

Unless a heroic Kl'Rt ends up joining the ranks of the heroes who have been temporary fifth FF members in the MCU. Kind of a "you guys are exploring out in space, and Fury [[strikes: wants to keep tabs on you]] 'suggests' you bring this Skrull with you" bit - but then stuff happens and he becomes the Super Skrull.

Edited by KnownUnknown on May 27th 2021 at 11:15:52 AM

FGHIK Since: Aug, 2013
#128675: May 27th 2021 at 11:30:15 PM

I didn't say the refugees have to have evil people, just that the entire race doesn't need to be good guys. I feel like my comments are being misinterpreted here. It is a sensitive topic, but I assure you I have no racist leanings.


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