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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

FGHIK Since: Aug, 2013
#128426: May 22nd 2021 at 12:11:05 PM

If they bring the old adage up in the third Spider-Man film, I'd like if the movie ended with Spider-Man concluding it's actually the other way around; his great responsibilities are what grants him great power.

Eh? I don't see how that would make sense.

Edited by FGHIK on May 22nd 2021 at 2:11:59 PM

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#128427: May 22nd 2021 at 12:33:35 PM

About Yellowjacket possibly being a thing again: it makes sense for the suit to come back at the very least.

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#128428: May 22nd 2021 at 12:58:17 PM

I blame the reboots,for Spiderman to work in the MCU they had to give audiences something new because the previous films had Uncle Ben as a motivation for Spiderman

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#128429: May 22nd 2021 at 1:01:03 PM

Amazing Spider-Man 1 did have him go all Batman to find Ben’s killer.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#128430: May 22nd 2021 at 1:07:59 PM

Before getting distracted

Less like 'I must fight all crime so no skateboarding teenager loses their parental figure as I did' and more... he got distracted by secret parent backstory.

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#128431: May 22nd 2021 at 1:09:46 PM

Sounds like he had an optional side quest with a nice reward at the end because the main plot was lackluster

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RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#128432: May 22nd 2021 at 3:54:49 PM

It was more he started off with a revenge mission (catch guy who killed Uncle Ben) but in the process came to realize what was really important (preventing tragedies like Ben's death from happening to others) and so abandoned the initial revenge goal.

I liked that. Lots of stories with a "revenge is wrong" moral try to have it both ways. The hero stops being obsessed with revenge, but the person they want revenge on still ends up punished, one way or another. Here, Uncle Ben's killer legit gets away, Peter gets no closure on that front, and he just has to live with it.

chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
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#128433: May 22nd 2021 at 4:02:47 PM

It sort of went that route... except the ending prominetly features the killer's wanted poster in Peter's bedroom, suggesting it was supposed to be followed up in the sequel. Which it didn't.

Except in the video-game tie-in, where he's killed by Carnage.

DeadlyAssassin Last of the Stellarians from Helsinki Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Last of the Stellarians
#128434: May 24th 2021 at 6:14:02 AM

Eternals trailer

Edited by DeadlyAssassin on May 24th 2021 at 4:14:32 PM

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Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#128435: May 24th 2021 at 6:14:49 AM

EDIT: [nja]

Edited by Watchtower on May 24th 2021 at 9:15:03 AM

DeadlyAssassin Last of the Stellarians from Helsinki Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Last of the Stellarians
#128436: May 24th 2021 at 6:18:46 AM

Does this film include reincarnation? That's the vibe I got from the montage shot of Richard Madden and Gemma Chan.

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#128437: May 24th 2021 at 6:26:30 AM

Bucky coming to Earth in a spaceship hundreds/thousands of years ago raises a lot of new questions about his character.

In seriousness, "We've been here for a super long time and watched the world develop but also when the Earth was invaded multiple times we were like, 'Not my problem, fuckers!'" I hope the film has a good explanation for this. This is an awkward point in the franchise's history to suddenly introduce a secret society of super-powered people who shepherd humanity or whatever.

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Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#128438: May 24th 2021 at 6:43:48 AM

The Superman Stays Out of Gotham question re: Thanos will definitely have to hang over any “preestablished hero” plot going forward.

Which is a stumble for my ideal “no more Fantastic Four origin please” situation but hey.

Re: reincarnation, the implication is that they are hella immortal I think.

Also... I wanted it to be more .... colorful I guess?

Edited by Synchronicity on May 24th 2021 at 8:44:11 AM

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#128439: May 24th 2021 at 6:45:26 AM

[up]They're going to have been preoccupied I gather. That seems to be the easiest approach, fighting the Deviants in the Tri-Solar Galaxy or whatever the hell.

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#128440: May 24th 2021 at 6:45:45 AM

Pretty lame trailer, tbh.

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#128441: May 24th 2021 at 6:53:13 AM

[up][up][up]Yeah, imagine having to justify the X-Men like that:

Cyclops: Professor! The Avengers are under attack by Thanos! What should we do?!

Xavier: Well, Scott, that sounds like a whole lotta not my fuckin' problem.

Edited by lbssb on May 24th 2021 at 12:56:55 PM

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ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#128442: May 24th 2021 at 6:59:08 AM

Everybody looks really good here, but Angelina Jolie as Thena probably takes the cake.

It'll be interesting to see how the film works in Black Knight, as we only got a tiny snippet of him here.

I hope we can avoid any wink/nod style reference to Gemma Chan's prior MCU role and just focus on her character in this film.

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#128443: May 24th 2021 at 7:00:48 AM

It IS a teaser. Usually those are pretty bare-bones.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#128444: May 24th 2021 at 7:08:52 AM

I found the teaser... interesting... but a bit weird. It's hard to explain but that kind of mystical secret history stuff seemed more organic and less off-putting in Black Panther.

Partly, it might be because I've been recently binging a podcast called Our Fake History, and the premise of the Eternals sounds suspiciously like the "Magicians of the Gods" theory by crackpot pseudohistorian Graham Hancock, which the podcast spends a lot of time debunking.

I bring up Black Panther in part because Prester Jon is also covered in the podcast, and the the idea of Prester Jon's location moving around (something Klaw brings up in the movie) is more like an analysis of pseudohistory than engaging in pseudohistory.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#128445: May 24th 2021 at 7:10:46 AM

It reminded me of the "Ancient Aliens" theories, which always make me uncomfortable because they're fairly typically racist.

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#128446: May 24th 2021 at 7:11:36 AM

[up][up][up][up][up] that does track for Xavier

[up] Jack Kirby was seemingly a huge fan of the chariots of the gods type thing considering how often it comes up in his creations

Edited by Bocaj on May 24th 2021 at 10:12:56 AM

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#128447: May 24th 2021 at 7:14:43 AM

Trailer was interesting,I liked the spaceship and the gag at the end.

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Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#128448: May 24th 2021 at 7:14:45 AM

The Fantastic Four has an out in the form of the Negative Zone. They could have just been trapped there for however long is necessary.

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Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#128449: May 24th 2021 at 7:15:40 AM

@Known Unknown- As I understand it, the two are related. Like calling the lost, advanced culture "Magicians of the Gods" is obviously reminiscent of the Ancient Aliens "Chariots of the Gods".

I don't inherently mind comic books using it as an inspiration (for instance, there's definitely a lot of it in the presentation of Asgard), but the teaser for Eternals plays it so straight that I find it a bit off-putting.

Edited by Hodor2 on May 24th 2021 at 9:16:17 AM

ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#128450: May 24th 2021 at 7:16:59 AM

Well only three of the Eternals are white, and one of them is almost certainly going to turn out to be a bad guy, so that's something, I guess.

Though I could be wrong, if it's a playing against type situation.

Edited by ArthurEld on May 24th 2021 at 7:17:37 AM


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