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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#128401: May 19th 2021 at 5:00:20 PM

That was Gert, Gert was the one who butchered Spider-Man's motto in her vain desire to be seen as some kind of rebel.

Hilarious in one future she's the leader of the Avengers. tongue

Edited by slimcoder on May 19th 2021 at 5:00:34 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#128402: May 19th 2021 at 5:00:25 PM

sometimes you got Nico horribly butchering the meaning of Spider-Man's "With Great Power Comes Great Responsibility" speech in a failed attempt at lecturing back at the adult superheroes about how much adults suck.

That's ridiculous.

It was Gert who did that, not Nico. Nico just started attacking him, then put him to sleep with a spell.

[up] Edit: Dammit Slim!

Edited by HandsomeRob on May 19th 2021 at 12:00:51 PM

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Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#128403: May 19th 2021 at 5:02:40 PM

Sometimes it was really very “how do you do fellow kids”

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#128404: May 19th 2021 at 5:12:10 PM

The Runaways becoming yet another super group doing superhero stuff is funny considering how dismissive they are of superhero tropes

And too cool for school attitude does not sustain a book

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#128405: May 20th 2021 at 1:09:51 AM

The new run is excellent though I'd say. Simply because it leans into this problem with the premise. The runaway are now (mostly) a group of directionoess young adults who only really have a nostalgia for a traumatic time in their lives. And it's made super explicit that they're not super heroes, and on the whole they don't want to be super heroes either.

Which means the comic is free to just focus heavily on the soap opera.

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#128406: May 20th 2021 at 10:24:11 AM

Though some of them have been super heroes.

Then there's Klara who was adopted and seems to be happier these days.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#128408: May 21st 2021 at 10:07:12 PM

Heheh here's a funny thought from watching scenes from the movie Redline.

A Ghost Rider movie that is a racing flick featuring all the Ghost Riders in an epic race in Hell against Mephisto's legion to win their freedom. tongue

Heh that be fun.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#128409: May 21st 2021 at 10:47:20 PM

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#128410: May 21st 2021 at 11:22:46 PM

Evangeline Lilly may have accidentally spoiled the return of Yellowjacket in Ant-Man 3.

Edited by comicwriter on May 21st 2021 at 11:23:07 AM

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#128411: May 22nd 2021 at 2:15:05 AM

What exactly did Gert say about Spider-Man's responsibility moto?

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#128412: May 22nd 2021 at 2:53:01 AM

The context is Spider-Man is advising the kids to lay low and let him handle the current crisis. Victor protests, saying he has powers (being a robot) and cites that Spider-Man's motto is "with great power comes great responsibility."

Gert responds:

Gert: Really? That's inane. Most people in life don't have great power, and the few that do are almost never responsible with it. The people who have the greatest responsibility are the kids with no power because we're the ones that have to keep everyone else in check.

...which, I get the point Gert's making and even agree to some extent, but it's based on a misunderstanding. The motto doesn't mean "power leads to being a responsible person", it means "if you have power, you are morally obligated to use it responsibly". Spider-Man, oddly, misses this misreading, complimenting Gert and saying one day she'll be an Avenger.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on May 22nd 2021 at 3:03:55 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#128413: May 22nd 2021 at 2:58:22 AM

You can feel the teen rebel in Gert.

Emphasis on “Teen”. [lol]

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#128414: May 22nd 2021 at 3:02:54 AM

Eh, came from the pen of a then-30 year old adult. tongue

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#128415: May 22nd 2021 at 6:49:19 AM

Oh I always read Spider Man’s reply as sarcastic

Because of the bolded totally

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#128416: May 22nd 2021 at 6:51:39 AM

he should have potholed to sarcasm mode

Edited by Ultimatum on May 22nd 2021 at 1:51:51 PM

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JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#128417: May 22nd 2021 at 7:07:07 AM

I recently saw Spider-man 2 again and I can't help but think that "With Great Power Comes Great Responsibility" is a bad thing.

Basically Peter Parker's life is hell because of this.

  • He can't be with the girl he loves.
  • Can't keep a job
  • He cannot attend the theater
  • He has bad grades in college
  • He has to sell pictures to a guy who slanders him.
  • Not being able to keep a job, he has almost no money so he is behind with the rent and he cannot help his aunt.

The week he lost his powers was probably one of the best weeks of his life.

Basically the real moral is: If you have powers you must ruin your own life and turn it into a personal hell.

djoki996 Since: Dec, 2018
#128418: May 22nd 2021 at 9:11:02 AM

To be fair, a lot of writers interpret the motto differently. Dan Slott, for example, interpreted it as "people with great power have responsibility to be heroes". Leading to death of Jackpot's husband.

Edit: or was that Guggenheim?

Edited by djoki996 on May 22nd 2021 at 9:14:04 AM

ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#128419: May 22nd 2021 at 10:43:00 AM

[up][up]putting aside that Spiderman 2 isnt even an MCU movie, that's very much not what that movie is trying to say, at all.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#128420: May 22nd 2021 at 10:44:44 AM

Its a very..caustic take I must say

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#128421: May 22nd 2021 at 11:32:17 AM

If they bring the old adage up in the third Spider-Man film, I'd like if the movie ended with Spider-Man concluding it's actually the other way around; his great responsibilities are what grants him great power.

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Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#128422: May 22nd 2021 at 11:58:47 AM

You also can't take Spidey's life as the fruits of his efforts since the universe (i.e. Marvel editorial) conspires to leave him in a miserable (and thus "relatable") state.

Actually one of the bigger things I'm critical of of Slott's run: he fundamentally believed Peter's best strength is his endless determination to do right even at his lowest moments, which left Parker in this constant cycle of fucking up, learning some lesson about responsibility from his fuck-ups, bending the earth backwards to fix them, and earning some solace in his life...right before he fucks up again.

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#128423: May 22nd 2021 at 11:59:49 AM

In Civil War, Peter says something similar to the "Great responsibility" line to Tony. Something like, "If you can do things I can do, and the bad things happen, that's on you." I also noticed when rewatching it a few weeks back, that when asked why he does it, he says the syllables or something to Ben's name. Which I didn't notice before, and just might be me hearing things.

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#128424: May 22nd 2021 at 12:01:12 PM

It still does not sit right with me that Tony Stark effectively replaced Uncle Ben,more so now that he's dead

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Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#128425: May 22nd 2021 at 12:10:13 PM

I mean I agree, and want Uncle Ben in the next Spider-Man movie. Most casual audiences seem okay with it, though. For instance Irondad does Stucky numbers in fanfiction, which doesn't mean it's universally loved, but that is mostly unheard of for a platonic ship.

Edited by Bullman on May 22nd 2021 at 2:11:09 PM

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