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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#128376: May 19th 2021 at 12:01:18 PM

There's certainly precedent for using professional VAs in the MCU; Tom Kenny voiced the rabbit doll in Ant-Man and Grey DeLisle narrated one of the Wandavision commercials.

Edited by lbssb on May 19th 2021 at 12:01:37 PM

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#128377: May 19th 2021 at 12:02:24 PM

The best actors.

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#128378: May 19th 2021 at 12:42:53 PM

That's more or less the problem with the Runaways show. The parents are basically the co-protagonists. And by co-protagonists, I mean they're the real protagonists.

I feel like everyone says this any time someone other than the main protagonists gets more development than expected (I see the same accusations leveled at Black Lightning and even Black Panther). Yes, the show gave the parents a bit of Adaptation Expansion and Adaptational Heroism but the show was still about the kids, especially in the second and third seasons.

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#128379: May 19th 2021 at 1:15:01 PM

I think it's more that, based on the summary, people were expecting the parents to be the main villains of the series.

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#128380: May 19th 2021 at 1:17:49 PM

Which yeah they were in the comic run.

It's weird to since the original run is pretty easy to adapt into a self contained series. So why they changed and went in that direction is bizarre.

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#128381: May 19th 2021 at 1:22:45 PM

In the comics, they're Firelord Ozai.

In the show, they're Zuko.

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#128382: May 19th 2021 at 1:29:04 PM

I remember one critique I heard people had was that it took until the season one finale for the the Runaways to actually... runaway.

I didn't watch past season two, nor have I read the original comic, so I can't weigh in much on how it was handled.

Edited by chasemaddigan on May 19th 2021 at 4:29:24 AM

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#128383: May 19th 2021 at 2:25:53 PM

Huh I just heard that the reason why the Iron Man movies never went full Demon in the Bottle is cause RDJ who is a recovering alcoholic didn't want to go to "that place" for his acting.

Any actual statements on this?

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#128384: May 19th 2021 at 2:32:42 PM

That's a valid reason

On the other,demon in a glass bottle is a heavy hitter involving alcoholism, wouldn't surprise me if the feeling was "Hell no,play up his Post traumatic stress disorder instead"

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#128385: May 19th 2021 at 2:34:45 PM

The screenwriters of Iron Man 2 and 3 claim their own reasons for avoiding it, whether feeling it wasn’t suited for a film format or Executive Meddling.

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#128386: May 19th 2021 at 2:36:08 PM

Shane Black told a fan that the studio rejected it for Iron Man 3.

Drew [Pearce]: In our first draft Tony was a bit more rock'n'roll.

Shane [Black]: I think we were just told by the studio that we should probably paint Tony Stark as being kind of an industrialist and a crazy guy, or even a bad guy at some points, but the Demon in a Bottle stuff of him being an alcoholic wouldn't really fly. I don't blame that.

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Edited by Synchronicity on May 19th 2021 at 4:36:43 AM

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#128387: May 19th 2021 at 2:37:54 PM

I think some people would take the title literally and expect to see a demon in a glass bottle somewhere and be very disappointed when they realise the title is a metaphor

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#128388: May 19th 2021 at 2:39:51 PM

[up]I'm very literal myself and I wouldn't make that mistake. It doesn't even sound very interesting.

Edited by fredhot16 on May 19th 2021 at 2:40:02 AM

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#128389: May 19th 2021 at 2:39:52 PM

Bit of a shame that we might never get an adaptation of it.

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#128390: May 19th 2021 at 2:43:49 PM

It’s the perfect story for if Marvel wants to start making non theatrical animated movies again. Just do compressed versions of popular story arcs, like DC do

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#128391: May 19th 2021 at 2:48:25 PM

In the comics, they're Firelord Ozai.

In the show, they're Zuko.

Debatable. And even then, no one says Zuko is the true protagonist of Avatar.

Well, maybe some people do but I don't think that makes it true.

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#128392: May 19th 2021 at 2:54:24 PM

[up][up] Probably the most annoying thing about the MCU.

Like compared to how DC at least has movies that are either standalone or each fit in their own continuities, Marvel is only focused on the MCU so weren't getting any standalone films anytime soon.

For instance Ultron is never gonna star in a movie again because he already did so in Age of Ultron and hes dead now so thats it for the character.

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#128393: May 19th 2021 at 3:01:49 PM

And Ultron Unlimited would be a spectacular stand alone

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#128394: May 19th 2021 at 3:06:00 PM

@Wind I think his point is less "true protagonist" and more "deuteragonist that is a bad guy of sorts but we get to see their journey in more detail then if they were just a villain"?

Edited by fredhot16 on May 19th 2021 at 3:06:08 AM

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#128395: May 19th 2021 at 3:09:20 PM

Yes, the show gave the parents a bit of Adaptation Expansion and Adaptational Heroism

This is an understatement though, at least for season 1, which is like 1/2 kid drama and 1/2 parent plotting. In the comics they're all pretty one-note folks who show up to trigger the running away (which happens in the first or second issue), and while the threat of being caught by them hangs over the first arc, they only really play a big role in the first arc's big final Judas Contract.

I haven't watched S2 or S3 so I can't say how kid-centric they are in comparison but I can see how this would turn off fans — the draw of the Runaways comic is the mix of teen drama and superhero shenanigans.

Shame though because for a Dawson Cast the protagonists were pretty good.

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#128396: May 19th 2021 at 4:08:01 PM

[up] Yeah I never really kept up with the original run or the show but my impression of Runaways was always that their parents didn't really mean shit in the long run and that the whole appeal was more them being this group of superpowered teenage misfits living on the road dealing with their own problems. So the show seemingly placing such a giant magnifying glass on the parents comes off as completely misunderstanding that appeal.

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#128397: May 19th 2021 at 4:10:31 PM

It was always puzzling, considering the showrunners were known for Gossip Girl, which was a show approximately 0 people watched because they cared about the parents.

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#128398: May 19th 2021 at 4:12:48 PM

Runaways the comic also had an identity issue once the parents were dealt with. Several arcs in fact rehashed the parents

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#128400: May 19th 2021 at 4:56:57 PM

The story of Runaways more or less finished when the Pride was dealt with but this is Marvel Comics. Stories end but characters are forever. The Runaways story was popular so of course there would be more stories printed with these characters even though their initial premise was complete.

So they became a roaming group of superheroes, wandering the Marvel Universe doing superhero things. The result was hit or miss, like all major Marvel characters. Sometimes you got Molly punching the Punisher in the nuts and sometimes you got Nico horribly butchering the meaning of Spider-Man's "With Great Power Comes Great Responsibility" speech in a failed attempt at lecturing back at the adult superheroes about how much adults suck.

Edited by TobiasDrake on May 19th 2021 at 4:57:54 AM

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