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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#128326: May 16th 2021 at 11:06:13 AM

Hopefully the next Runaways show will have people actually interested in, you know, the Runaways.

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#128327: May 16th 2021 at 11:55:06 AM

It's weird to me that that got adapted into a show, because the original Runaways storyline, if you remove the vampire and Cloak & Dagger stuff in the middle, has pretty much the perfect pace and structure for a feature film.

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#128328: May 16th 2021 at 11:57:24 AM

Still haven't brought myself to watch Season 3 of the Runaways, because I just cannot get over knowing that the parents get away in the end, despite committing literal child murder. Numerous times.

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#128329: May 16th 2021 at 1:43:41 PM

Okay, I was channel surfing today and Captain America: Civil War was on. When I looked at the guide, the plot synopsis was weirdly phrased. I'm paraphrasing here, but it basically went "Black Widow and Hawkeye must pick a side when a feud between Captain America and Iron Man leaves the Avengers in turmoil".

From that, you'd expect Black Widow and Hawkeye to be the main characters and their conflict is the central arc of the film. I got nothing more to add to that, it just made me chuckle. tongue

Edited by chasemaddigan on May 16th 2021 at 4:43:52 AM

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#128330: May 16th 2021 at 2:08:36 PM

It's better than the description for Endgame. "The remaining Avengers— Thor, Black Widow, Captain America, and Bruce Banner— must figure out a way to bring back their vanquished allies for an epic showdown with Thanos— the evil demigod who decimated the planet and the universe." Just... christ.

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#128331: May 16th 2021 at 2:09:09 PM

"Evil demigod"?

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#128332: May 16th 2021 at 2:10:03 PM

Thanos is a demigod ?

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#128333: May 16th 2021 at 2:12:18 PM

And the guide only gives a shit about four of the Avengers. Sure, all four of them are important to the plot, but still why snub Tony or Scott?

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RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#128334: May 16th 2021 at 2:45:36 PM

You could argue leaving out Tony and Scott, since at the start of the movie they aren't really Avengers anymore: Tony's retired, and Scott's off in the Quantum Realm. But then, that logic should exclude Thor, too.

And I'm okay with describing Thanos as an "evil demigod". He's definitely evil, and the alien/divinity division in the MCU has always been murky.

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#128335: May 16th 2021 at 2:48:25 PM

[up][up] Actually, I could buy that as a decent description if you're trying not to spoil the second act of the film, if you remove Thor and replace him with Scott.

The initial premise of the movie is "Cap, Widow, Ant-Man try to reunite the remaining Avengers for a mad plan to reverse Thanos' victory," and then only once they have a "uniting the team" montage do the rest of the characters really start to factor in.

Edited by KnownUnknown on May 16th 2021 at 2:48:37 AM

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#128336: May 16th 2021 at 2:49:57 PM

[up][up]Nobody says he's descended from gods, though? Neither Thanos or anybody else in the movie claim he's a demigod? Like, "demigod" seems to have been made from wholecloth.

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#128337: May 16th 2021 at 2:58:04 PM

Perhaps a misunderstanding of Titan

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#128338: May 16th 2021 at 3:53:49 PM

he's just really,really buff

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#128339: May 16th 2021 at 6:31:52 PM

I was thinking that maybe they should look into adapting some of the New Universe titles. Maybe not the goofier ones like Kickers Inc., but IMO Star Brand, DP 7, Justice, and Psi-Force could all work as shows.

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#128340: May 16th 2021 at 6:54:22 PM

The original Starbrand has an interesting premise that wasn’t really ever executed well

What if some dude gets the most powerful power in the universe. Not a heroic dude and not an evil dude who’ll prove that absolute power corrupts absolutely. Just a mediocre dude who is mundanely awful

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#128342: May 18th 2021 at 1:23:42 AM

Heck even in the comics Thanos isn't a demigod. He is human. Albeit a mutant member of an offshoot of humanity who had been empowered by space god experiments who later moved to Titan, but still human.

Edited by M84 on May 18th 2021 at 4:24:22 PM

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#128343: May 18th 2021 at 10:22:14 AM

Hopefully the next Runaways show will have people actually interested in, you know, the Runaways.

That's more or less the problem with the Runaways show. The parents are basically the co-protagonists. And by co-protagonists, I mean they're the real protagonists.

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#128344: May 18th 2021 at 10:28:08 AM

And they get leather panted to hell and back. Despite being, y'know, freaking child murderers.

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#128346: May 18th 2021 at 10:50:30 AM

I don't think so. At the most I could see some returning show get the Broad Strokes treatment later on, but it's unlikely any non-Disney+ thing will be considered canon, honestly.

For all we know, they'll want to make their own works with the characters Netflix or others used at some point.

Edited by Blueace on May 18th 2021 at 2:03:11 PM

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#128347: May 18th 2021 at 11:06:47 AM

I think all the non Disney plus stuff has gone the way of star wars legends where it's now an Alternate continuity.

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#128348: May 18th 2021 at 11:13:05 AM

The Disney+ shows have already shown a Darkhold separate from Agents of SHIELD's and a Power Broker separate from Jessica Jones's, so that's a pretty reasonable assumption.

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#128349: May 18th 2021 at 11:14:30 AM

The only thing tying the old shows to the MCU is Coulson's existence and Jarvis's cameo in Endgame, at this point.

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#128350: May 18th 2021 at 11:15:23 AM

Hopefully like legends had stuff imported to the main Canon we get the same thing at least for some elements.

Ghost rider as played by Gabriel luna again would be amazing.

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