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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

copperglass Since: Aug, 2020
#128126: May 12th 2021 at 7:06:51 PM

Yeah, I don't know why anyone thinks Shang-Chi is "pandering" to China. Wuxia films are nothing new in the eastern film market.

While I do think the criticism of Simu Liu's looks are extremely harsh and uncalled for, I have to roll my eyes at people expressing "surprise" that it happened. Like, obviously, America has never had ridiculous standards for main actors/actresses in commercial movies.

Dammit, page topper.

Edited by copperglass on May 12th 2021 at 7:07:03 AM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#128127: May 12th 2021 at 7:07:35 PM

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Exactly. You at least need Xavier to have started that ball rolling.

[up]This could work. Plus, it'd be interesting to see what villains they'd use without Magneto to default to.

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Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#128128: May 12th 2021 at 7:10:03 PM

Guess no one was really paying attention to what China's idea of beauty is, really. But who cares? Next trailer we will have a better idea of Shang-Chi's personality, hopefully.

Edited by Blueace on May 12th 2021 at 10:11:09 AM

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#128129: May 12th 2021 at 7:11:54 PM

I propose we can in fact get the ball rolling without Xavier

In the land of adaptation anything is possible, even things you might consider bad ideas

Like bad idea: Wolverine founds the X-Men.

They could do it. Should they? No!

Bonkers idea: Ursa Major founds the X-Men

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#128130: May 12th 2021 at 7:17:13 PM

I feel like the route the MCU's going to go with the X-Men and F4 is to try and be as accurate to the source material as possible, to get across a subtle message of "see, this is the REAL X-Men and Fantastic Four, not what stinky Fox did, we're the REAL Marvel!"

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on May 12th 2021 at 7:17:20 AM

VengefulBale Bishie Gijinka Meta Knight from Nowhere Since: Feb, 2016 Relationship Status: It's complicated
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#128131: May 12th 2021 at 7:21:28 PM

Xavier and Magneto could work as both the Greater-Scope Paragon and the Greater-Scope Villain respectively. Have them be mentioned and have some influence on the plot, but most of the action is saved for their students

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#128132: May 12th 2021 at 7:33:21 PM

Honestly, the Brotherhood shouldn't be the be-all end-all for evil mutants. Why not Morlocks or some other group representing a different side.

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#128133: May 12th 2021 at 7:49:26 PM

There's the Brotherhood, the Acolytes, the Mutant Liberation Front, the Hellfire Club

All walks of life

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#128134: May 12th 2021 at 7:54:44 PM

Honestly I think the coolest route for the X-Men would be to build up the X-Men slowly. Show up individual members of them before re-assembling them in a film. Make it slowly. Cyclops shows up here, Storms there, Wolverine there before they assemble. Basically do the Phase 1 Avengers build-up but with the X-Men.

Imagine a post credits scene just being the trailer for the X-Men movie (like the Avengers trailer was attached to the end of The First Avenger), and the trailer is just a live-action recreation of this:

The roof would come off.

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Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#128135: May 12th 2021 at 7:57:04 PM

[up][up][up][up][up] I wouldn't even paint it mean-spirited. Both properties have suffered from not being translated in the best way to the silver screen, and the MCU will most likely lean on their versions being Truer to the Text while also having their seal of quality. It's clearly what they're doing with FF since it's being directed by Jon Watts, a fairly safe journeyman ​pick hot off the success of his Spider-Man movies.

With X-Men you don't even have to go has crazy as some of the suggestions here for Xavier and Magneto. The big issue the Fox X-Men had was that they and Logan were the Spotlight-Stealing Squad for the rest of the universe outside of Deadpool. X-Men is fundamentally an Ensemble Cast; just refocus on that and everything else should fall into place.

Edited by Watchtower on May 12th 2021 at 10:57:27 AM

Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#128136: May 12th 2021 at 7:58:24 PM

With respect to the X-Men, are there any particular stories y'all would like to see them adapt? I'd be surprised if they went back to Dark Phoenix, but maybe, say, AvX as a big event movie.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#128137: May 12th 2021 at 7:58:25 PM

Deadpool of all people treated the wider X-Men better than the X-Men films ever did.

[up] Uncanny X-Force was one of the first stories I read.

Edited by slimcoder on May 12th 2021 at 7:59:08 AM

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Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#128138: May 12th 2021 at 7:59:08 PM

Not gonna lie, I'd dig it. Which segues nicely into how Rogue and Mystique should be the villains of The Marvels.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#128139: May 12th 2021 at 8:10:55 PM

It's less particular stories for me, and more particular parts of the X-Men mythos (or tangentially characters) who haven't been explored in film much. Alpha Flight, actual stories with Shadowcat and Jubilee, the Morlocks, X-Factor, Excalibur, etc.

I've also always thought the Asteroid M story could've made a great film, though perhaps composited into Genosha.

Not a specific story, but I could see Juggernaut and Cyttorak carrying a film about regular people trying to match mutants for power.

Edited by KnownUnknown on May 12th 2021 at 8:16:06 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#128140: May 12th 2021 at 8:15:55 PM

I would like to witness the sheer insanity of the Summers-Grey family made manifest in flesh.

Scott has like 3 kids currently, none of them technically from Jean.

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RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#128141: May 12th 2021 at 10:04:12 PM

What I'd do is have an older Jean Grey (somewhere in her 40's or 50's) fill the Xavier role of "telepath who puts a team of mutants together". We wouldn't delve into her past much (at least in the first movie), but we'd see she has an old photo of herself with the other Original Five X-Men, all in their classic uniforms, and that she's got the X-Jet sitting in storage collecting dust. Basically, hint that a Broad Strokes version of the X-Men stories most viewers are familiar with has occurred, but that we're jumping in sometime later with a largely different cast of characters.

And I'd also favor introducing X-Men individually in supporting roles before bringing them all together. Have Storm show up in a Black Panther movie. Have Rogue be the villain in a Captain Marvel movie. Have Gambit show up somewhere as someone's underworld contact, and Psylocke as a secret agent who surprise reveals she has powers, too.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#128142: May 12th 2021 at 11:52:44 PM

"Basically do the Phase 1 Avengers build-up but with the X-Men."

I dont know, X men was always seen as sort of esamble team rather than a "people who team up" like the avengers.

the problem is they are waaaaaay to many mutants and the more it is the worst it become, really all the good x men movies are the one with the least memebers.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#128143: May 12th 2021 at 11:54:08 PM

Don't most of them already just focus on the same exact handful of characters?

Edited by slimcoder on May 12th 2021 at 11:54:23 AM

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Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#128144: May 13th 2021 at 7:51:25 AM

It could also feel fresh if they refocused to Cyclops or another of the supposedly core cast as the “protagonist” instead of X and Magneto.

Krory Since: Aug, 2012
#128145: May 13th 2021 at 8:28:06 AM

Focusing on the core cast is difficult in X-men. Even if you try to pare the team down to just the most basic, expected members, that's still like 12 people without the villians.

Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#128146: May 13th 2021 at 8:38:17 AM

I mean, it's not impossible. There are a ton of films that handle Ensemble Cast well; not every character needs a fleshed out arc. Isn't Eternals slated to have like a dozen people?

Edited by Synchronicity on May 13th 2021 at 10:38:58 AM

Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#128147: May 13th 2021 at 8:45:10 AM

[up][up] Only if you're really trying to get an all-star mega-cast. Most X-Men team rosters IIRC keep to 5-7 excluding Xavier, maybe 8 or 9 at most.

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#128148: May 13th 2021 at 8:46:04 AM

I kind feel like doing X-Men without Professor X would be like a Justice League movie that didn't include Superman, Batman, or Wonder Woman. He's so intriscly tied to the concept in the public conspicuousness that his absence would be highly conspicuous.

You don't necessarily need to go straight to X-Men once mutants are formally introduced in the MCU, and you don't have to make him the main character of any particular movie. But I just don't see how the cost/benefit could favor doing X-Men without including him at all.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#128149: May 13th 2021 at 9:13:15 AM

It’s time for another round of ideal X Men movie cast that tries not to use people that have been overused before

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#128150: May 13th 2021 at 9:14:18 AM

How about Xmen but no Wolverine?

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