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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#128101: May 12th 2021 at 2:58:39 PM

The irony is making your product to appeal directly to a foreign audience is missing the point.

They love your movies exactly because of how different they are. Making your movies to be more like there’s won’t impress them, cause they already have movies like that where they live.

Edited by slimcoder on May 12th 2021 at 3:10:05 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#128102: May 12th 2021 at 3:00:15 PM

Not to mention Black Panther actually bombed hard in China, where everywhere else it became an unexpected pop cultural juggernaut beyond its status as an MCU entry.

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Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#128103: May 12th 2021 at 3:14:22 PM

Haven't the new Star Wars movie also done well without huge Chinese box offices?

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#128104: May 12th 2021 at 3:19:44 PM

Honestly this is great news. Might force the MCU (at least, preferably Disney as a whole) to stop bowing down to a government committing active genocide.

Just make Shang Chi a love letter do free Hong Kong. DO IT, YOU ABSOLUTE COWARDS.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
Akirakan Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#128105: May 12th 2021 at 3:21:38 PM

[up][up][up]It didn't bombed hard. It made $105 million. That's very much in line with other non-team-up Marvel movies. For comparison, Ant-Man also made 105, Dr. Strange 109, Homecoming 116.

Edited by Akirakan on May 12th 2021 at 5:22:03 AM

Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#128106: May 12th 2021 at 3:23:43 PM

[up][up][up][up]Actually, no it didn't — its pull dropped hard after a week, but it still earned $100M for the mouse. The international box office was like $600M.

[nja]

Edited by Synchronicity on May 12th 2021 at 5:24:30 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#128107: May 12th 2021 at 3:25:03 PM

Hey we might get actual homosexuality in these movies even.

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lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
The sleepiest good boi
#128108: May 12th 2021 at 3:26:51 PM

[up][up] & [up][up][up]Alright, fair enough. But from what I've seen they still actually hated it, with some reviews having some pretty... unfortunate language regarding why.

[up]Maybe that's why they want to ban Eternals. One of the leads is part of a same-sex couple.

Edited by lbssb on May 12th 2021 at 3:27:23 AM

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Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#128109: May 12th 2021 at 3:27:04 PM

[up][up]I don't know about that. I have always thought the 'no diversity bc China :'(' thing is partially a Mis-blamed situation. China will censor what they want; it's the down-home Americans they don't wanna offend.

[up]I am guessing that the fact that the director has spoken out against the CCP is the genuine reason. It's not even an Eternals thing, Nomadland sweeping the Oscars was met with crickets. (EDIT: Not just that, it was straight up censored.)

Edited by Synchronicity on May 12th 2021 at 5:29:20 AM

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#128110: May 12th 2021 at 3:42:29 PM

Yeah the CCP isn’t particularly supportive of gay content but America has more than enough anti-queer bigotry to pressure content on its own. Just look at all the anti-trans bills.

lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
The sleepiest good boi
#128111: May 12th 2021 at 3:49:47 PM

Maybe a combo of the two: pro-gay and openly critical of the CCP.

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miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#128112: May 12th 2021 at 3:50:12 PM

Yep. This movie isn't getting through....

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Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#128113: May 12th 2021 at 3:58:11 PM

This is why appealing to China is a fool’s errand. Especially Shang-Chi, which was apparently done to appeal to Chinese audiences.

I have found nothing to suggest Shang-Chi was intended for the Chinese audience, which is especially apparent given the movie is clearly speaking to the experiences of the Asian diaspora, something mainland Chinese don't give a shit about. And from what I've seen of Feige he isn't the type to fly straight into All Asians Are Alike like that. If anything most of the accusations that Shang-Chi is Chinese pandering are from those assuming that a movie centering around a Chinese character must be appealing to Chinese audiences/the CCP.

Hey we might get actual homosexuality in these movies even.

It's easy to joke but Dr. Strange 2 is introducing America Chavez and will most likely pull back in Wiccan and Speed following Wandavision. They have so set themselves up for depicting homosexuality that there's going to be legit backlash if they don't commit at this point.

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#128114: May 12th 2021 at 4:00:48 PM

That the Chinese audience mockikg poor Leung Simu for being "slant eyed" and "ugly"....

Edited by miraculous on May 12th 2021 at 4:28:33 AM

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#128115: May 12th 2021 at 4:06:55 PM

Oof

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Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#128116: May 12th 2021 at 4:25:45 PM

[up][up] Simu Liu, not Tony Leung. The Chinese audience actually likes Leung; seen some takes suggest they'd rather have him as Shang-Chi. >_>

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#128117: May 12th 2021 at 4:28:01 PM

Whoops. My bad.

Could have sworn I typed simu. It's late and my tiredness must have affected me.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#128118: May 12th 2021 at 6:15:24 PM

I just now realized Clone Saga would not be the only instance of clones.

Cause bringing back X-23 is a possibility.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#128119: May 12th 2021 at 6:17:34 PM

It's been said they'd like to recast her actress again when she's older right?

Well, she's much older now.

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Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#128120: May 12th 2021 at 6:36:47 PM

There are two FoX-Men actresses that I'm absolutely on board with having reprise their characters as MCU versions a la J. K. Simmons, and it's Dafne Keen as X-23 and Anya Taylor-Joy as Magik. Those are the one's I'd legit be kinda upset to see recasted.

(Both versions of Xavier and Magneto were perfectly casted but unfortunately McAvoy and Fassbender are too young and Stewart and McKellen are most likely too old to do the franchise loop again, so I've contented myself with seeing them recasted.)

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#128121: May 12th 2021 at 6:39:38 PM

James McAvoy and Micheal Fassbender are 42 and 44, respectively. That's not that young, if new X-Men movies aren't made in 5-10 years, they'll be at a fine age to play the older versions of their characters.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on May 12th 2021 at 6:40:05 AM

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#128122: May 12th 2021 at 6:43:16 PM

Personally, I don't want them to adapt Xavier or Magneto for a good long while. Give other X-Men some room in the limelight.

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#128123: May 12th 2021 at 6:53:49 PM

The problem is you kind of need Xavier for the X-Men. He's their founder. So he has to play some part in it.

Edited by Bullman on May 12th 2021 at 8:55:15 AM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#128124: May 12th 2021 at 7:00:01 PM

Just have Cyclops or Storm as the leader.

Plenty of people have been the leaders of the X-Men.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
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#128125: May 12th 2021 at 7:03:35 PM

Well, Xavier isn't usually the leader, he's the founder. He's even more important than the leader.

One thing they could do to adapt X-Men without either Xavier or Magneto is make both of them Posthumous Characters who did some cool stuff in the past but are long dead and now their legacy lives on.


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