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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#128076: May 12th 2021 at 1:04:52 AM

Random thought but how you think an adaptation of the Clone Saga could be handled, especially with bringing in Ben and Kaine?

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Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#128077: May 12th 2021 at 1:11:04 AM

It could work. I like Ben quite a bit, so I wouldnt mind, either.

jakobitis Doctor of Doctorates from Somewhere, somewhen Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Doctor of Doctorates
#128078: May 12th 2021 at 1:35:45 AM

Clones would be something that like the whole time travel issue would need to be handled very carefully - once you've introduced the concept it needs very tight and definite rules/management (both in the story and from a meta perspective) otherwise it gets messy very quickly.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#128079: May 12th 2021 at 1:36:38 AM

Or worse — time travel clones.

Disgusted, but not surprised
windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#128080: May 12th 2021 at 1:44:19 AM

[up] Careful. You never know if the writers are watching these threadstongue.

eligram Since: Sep, 2009 Relationship Status: In denial
#128081: May 12th 2021 at 5:56:55 AM

Or worse - time travel clones.

Oh god.... Kang is going to be a time travel clone of Tony Stark.

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#128082: May 12th 2021 at 5:59:49 AM

Nah. He’ll probably be Rhodey’s descendant or else someone completely unrelated to any pre-Endgame superhero.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#128083: May 12th 2021 at 6:02:19 AM

[up][up]Well, Young Avengers Iron Lad did turn out to be a teenage Kang.

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Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#128084: May 12th 2021 at 6:10:29 AM

What do you guys think is the best MCU movie? For my money it's the Winter Soldier. Though the first Ironman and Guardians vol 2 are up there.

Edited by Bullman on May 12th 2021 at 8:12:43 AM

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#128085: May 12th 2021 at 6:22:47 AM

Oh god.... Kang is going to be a time travel clone of Tony Stark.

The Unfortunate Implications of a black actor being cloned from a white guy are blaringly obvious so that’s out.

But Doom though...

[up]TWS is the best IMO, and its political messaging has aged like a fine wine.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#128086: May 12th 2021 at 6:34:42 AM

> What do you guys think is the best MCU movie?

Iron man 1 or Thor 1

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Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#128087: May 12th 2021 at 6:49:33 AM

I flip between GotG and GotG2 as my favorite.

Kang doesnt need to visually match anybody. He's from so far in the future it really doesnt matter.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#128088: May 12th 2021 at 7:10:34 AM

Random thought but how you think an adaptation of the Clone Saga could be handled, especially with bringing in Ben and Kaine?

That's been my theory for all the rumors of them bringing in Tobey Maguire and Andrew Garfield, I've just been too scared to suggest it, what with everyone and their mother losing their minds over the Multiverse.

Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#128089: May 12th 2021 at 7:25:04 AM

Because clones wouldnt necessitate different actors. Having different actors would be a negative for clones, in fact.

Edited by Zeromaeus on May 12th 2021 at 10:25:15 AM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#128090: May 12th 2021 at 7:28:23 AM

I think any adaptation of the Clone Saga should limit the number of clones

Since the idea wouldn’t be to set up Ben as a younger hipper Peter because of a recent dork age and there wouldn’t need to be the extended takeout where Ben is Totally the real one and replaces Peter, Ben and Kaine’s roles can be smooshed together

Or just base it more on the less infamous first Clone Saga

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#128091: May 12th 2021 at 7:29:44 AM

Faulty clones, or a slightly different mixture of genetics. Or the clones aren't exact, they're just trying to capture Peter Parker's powers.

HalfFaust Since: Jan, 2019
#128092: May 12th 2021 at 7:30:04 AM

A plot point/contrivance which confirms "that's all the clones now and they can't make anymore" wouldn't hurt.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#128093: May 12th 2021 at 7:31:22 AM

Army of clones,star wars style

You know you want this

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#128094: May 12th 2021 at 7:32:24 AM

In the comics the Jackal should just clone new ones and send them out occasionally just to be a dick to Peter

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chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#128095: May 12th 2021 at 7:35:01 AM

Part of what made the Clone Saga infamous was that it took up two years of Spider-Man's books because the marketing executives wanted the writers to stretch out the story.

That doesn't sound too bad, until you realize there were about four Spider-Man series running at the same time. So, at about four issues per month, that's about 96 issues of telling the same story, not including one-shots, annuals, related mini-series, and what have you.

EmeraldSource Since: Jan, 2021
#128096: May 12th 2021 at 8:18:28 AM

The 90's animated show touched upon doing the Clone Saga even if it ended before it could really start, though it did happen in an Alternate Universe. A 30 second summary of the rough events by Ben O'Reilly / Scarlet Spider in the Grand Finale made for an interesting identity crisis concept. As mentioned, the Clone Saga was like a 6 month idea stretched out over several years. Any adaptation would condense the twists upon twists into something less absurd.

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miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#128097: May 12th 2021 at 8:21:06 AM

Like reading the whole thing today makes it not seem totally awful baring stuff like maximum clonage but we miss the context. The delays , the insane back and forth in how they were going to end, the plot twistd and Arc Fatigue.

The whole thing made it an unbearable event when most adaptations gave been decently received due to not having those issues

Edited by miraculous on May 12th 2021 at 8:21:22 AM

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Akirakan Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#128098: May 12th 2021 at 2:34:28 PM

So there's a chance that Eternals and Shang-Chi might get banned in China.

It's not 100% confirmed, but the fact that they're currently out of their list means Chinese officials might have problems with them. Eternals is more likely to get banned, due to Zhao's criticism of the government, while Shang-Chi is likely seen as very stereotypical, with The Mandarin in particular seen as a Yellow Peril caricature.

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#128099: May 12th 2021 at 2:37:04 PM

[up]This is why appealing to China is a fool’s errand. Especially Shang-Chi, which was apparently done to appeal to Chinese audiences.

chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#128100: May 12th 2021 at 2:55:57 PM

I now want these movies to gross over a billion dollars to finally prove that you don't need to appeal to the Chinese government to make a shitload of money.

Odds are good that executives will argue "but we've could've made more if we did", but damn, I want some progress here.

Edited by chasemaddigan on May 12th 2021 at 5:56:11 AM


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