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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#127851: May 8th 2021 at 7:44:41 PM

AIM should at least be really easy to re-salvage given how different the MCU version was. Already kinda seeing it with the Ten Rings.

Hydra should be the same but goddamn I'm still reeling at Strucker getting absolutely wasted in AoU. Several of the MCU deaths really sting me bad and Strucker's one of the worser ones.

chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#127852: May 8th 2021 at 7:50:19 PM

It really says something when Strucker's son had more screentime over on Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., and he was basically just a privileged rich-boy.

warrior93 warrior93 from North Carolina Since: Feb, 2011
warrior93
#127853: May 8th 2021 at 8:07:33 PM

Should they have set up the Netflix shows such as Daredevil and others after Infinity War instead of after Avengers?

Using the Snap the reason why everything is messed up in New York not the Incident.

Edited by warrior93 on May 8th 2021 at 11:08:23 AM

Place your past in a book burn the pages let them cook.
windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#127854: May 8th 2021 at 10:19:55 PM

@chasemaddigan I remember reading a review that joked that no one took the position of vice president seriously anymore which is why the one from the MCU being in AIM's pocket felt so underwhelming.

fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Don't want to leave but cannot pretend
#127855: May 8th 2021 at 11:25:55 PM

I just finished the movie! I'll have a more coherent summary of my feelings after sleeping on it, especially since it's one in the morning.

Bbbbbuuuutttt I'll just leave off with a list of questions:

Why does nobody talk about the barrel of monkeys or human ladder rescue, if only for the novelty of it?

Why does nobody talk about the Mark 42 execution attempt on Killian, that was bloody sweet! Is that a Super Move or Finisher in a fighting game somewhere? It should be! "Iron Coffin", that's it's name.

Was this really going to be Tony's swan song?

Where's Thor? I'm pretty sure I saw Thor in a trailer for this movie.

...Why isn't the Mandarin Asian? Do I want to know the answer to this?

Edited by fredhot16 on May 8th 2021 at 11:30:35 AM

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#127856: May 8th 2021 at 11:31:50 PM

The Mandarin was seen as too much of a yellow peril character in general and very specifically for trying to sell to the Chinese market.

Marvel tried to do a clever thing about how foreign boogymen are boons for the military industrial complex and left a lot of people dissatisfied with the execution. Add in some good old fashioned sexism from Perlmutter and we've got a Killian.

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Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#127857: May 8th 2021 at 11:51:48 PM

Ben Kingsley is Anglo-Indian and there was some "all Asians are the same?" dismay when he was originally announced as the Mandarin.

Edited by Synchronicity on May 8th 2021 at 1:52:45 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#127858: May 8th 2021 at 11:53:47 PM

I chuckle at the thought of the Mandarin reveal just being a regular looking Asian guy who reacts to the over the top garb with “You think I would actually dress like that? Are you an idiot?”

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#127859: May 8th 2021 at 11:56:42 PM

"I wear bespoke suits, ya dingus"

"I'm not a dingus, you're the dingus"

Edited by Bocaj on May 9th 2021 at 3:04:51 PM

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Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#127860: May 8th 2021 at 11:58:51 PM

And then a blink-and-you'll-miss-it photograph of him back in the day shows that he did actually dress like that

Edited by Synchronicity on May 8th 2021 at 1:59:20 PM

fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Don't want to leave but cannot pretend
#127861: May 9th 2021 at 12:00:14 AM

[up][up]Your picture's broken.

Trans rights are human rights. TV Tropes is not a place for bigotry, cruelty, or dickishness, no matter who or their position.
Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#127862: May 9th 2021 at 12:04:05 AM

You gotta remove everything after the file extension. It's a semi-new Fandom think that's been a thorn in Image Pickin's side for a while :-)

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#127863: May 9th 2021 at 12:04:31 AM

[up] Did so

Edited by Bocaj on May 9th 2021 at 3:05:00 PM

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#127864: May 9th 2021 at 12:25:31 AM

Why does nobody talk about the barrel of monkeys or human ladder rescue, if only for the novelty of it?

Why does nobody talk about the Mark 42 execution attempt on Killian, that was bloody sweet! Is that a Super Move or Finisher in a fighting game somewhere? It should be! "Iron Coffin", that's it's name.

One of the most unfortunate parts of Iron Man 3 is that it has some of the character's, nay, the franchise's, most creative and thrilling action scenes like the House Party Protocol, but they are unfortunately overshadowed by the rest of the movie. tongue

Fun fact: Tony in the last scene at the ruins of his home? CGI and a double. Robert Downey Jr was out recovering from a stunt injury.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on May 9th 2021 at 12:28:37 PM

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#127865: May 9th 2021 at 2:31:15 AM

Add in some good old fashioned sexism from Perlmutter and we've got a Killian.

Shame they didn't have Maya as the main villain as originally planned.

Edited by Cortez on May 9th 2021 at 5:33:04 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#127866: May 9th 2021 at 2:33:02 AM

Thats the sexism to be clear.

Maya was downgraded because Pearlmutter didn't believe she could sell toys which makes it confusing in hindsight because they barely made any Killian toys anyway.

Edited by slimcoder on May 9th 2021 at 2:33:21 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#127867: May 9th 2021 at 3:07:57 AM

Ben Kingsley is Anglo-Indian and there was some "all Asians are the same?" dismay when he was originally announced as the Mandarin.

This is probably the one instance where it was justified in-universe since the Mandarin isn't so much a person as he is a mish mash of foreign cultures meant to terrify Americans.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#127868: May 9th 2021 at 3:22:41 AM

Actually now that I think about it, the Mandarin does now look like just a regular Asian guy.

From what we've seen of him, Wenwu appears surprisingly understated in appearance.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#127869: May 9th 2021 at 4:09:32 AM

from what I have gathered,in the comics the Mandarin has his 'ten magic rings' which sounds like a better fit for Doctor Strange to be honest

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God_of_Awesome Since: Jan, 2001
#127870: May 9th 2021 at 5:08:44 AM

I do like the "Court Jester / Body Double For Ignorant Visitors" idea with Mandarin and his would-be actor.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#127871: May 9th 2021 at 5:11:45 AM

[up][up] Well then he’d just be another magic-guy for Strange to face.

Mandarin functions as a magic vs technology opponent for Iron Man. Tony’s suits of incredible technological prowess vs Mandarin’s 100 distinct magical abilities.

Edited by slimcoder on May 9th 2021 at 5:12:28 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#127872: May 9th 2021 at 5:48:44 AM

Also, Mandarin's magic rings aren't really magic. They are alien tech that he stole from giant alien dragons who wear purple shorts.

Which makes me curious about the nature of Wenwu's rings.

Edited by Nightwire on May 9th 2021 at 5:49:54 AM

Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#127873: May 9th 2021 at 5:50:08 AM

This is probably the one instance where it was justified in-universe since the Mandarin isn't so much a person as he is a mish mash of foreign cultures meant to terrify Americans.

It worked as a misdirect within the film (Killian just grabbing like, the first vaguely ethnic actor he could find, haha Orientalism!) but out of universe this was shortly after Liam Neeson as Ra’s al Ghul so...you know.

Actually now that I think about it, the Mandarin does now look like just a regular Asian guy.

Speak for yourself, I recently rewatched In the Mood for Love and right now Tony Leung is the handsomest man in the world.

Edited by Synchronicity on May 9th 2021 at 7:50:25 AM

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#127874: May 9th 2021 at 5:56:34 AM

> They are alien tech that he stole from giant alien dragons who wear purple shorts.

purple shorts make it clear they are magic dragons,or purple people eaters

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miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#127875: May 9th 2021 at 5:59:22 AM

I want to see the ten rings and their abilities in action in the film. Their badass.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."

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